# Gamergate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596 "2014-09-05T17:43:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1282 "2014-11-16T21:08:32Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > Whether or not Zoe Quinn is a fine example of a human being, she didn’t “start it all” by cheating on her boyfriend – her boyfriend started it by releasing a bunch of private information > > Ah yes, it wasn’t Nixon who started Watergate, it was Woodward and Bernstein. Even people who disagree with you should acknowledge when you get in a zinger that good. It irks me when they don’t. “Well met, **blindboyard** …you win _this_ round.” Is that so hard? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1283 "2014-11-16T21:40:56Z")
It’s not a good zinger. It’s a stupid and offensive analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1284 "2014-11-16T21:58:39Z")
Yeah, it really was little more than a dodge & weave from blindy, who was trying to avoid the fact that his entire OP was slamming a woman with false accusations. He doesn’t win rounds by staying off the playing field. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1285 "2014-11-17T22:49:01Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s not a good zinger. It’s a stupid and offensive analogy. You’re a stupid and offensive analogy. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1286 "2014-11-18T09:06:14Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You’re a stupid and offensive analogy. Yo’ Mama’s a stupid and offensive analogy! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1287 "2014-11-18T15:36:25Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Yo’ Mama’s a stupid and offensive analogy! You know who else was a stupid and offensive analogy… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1288 "2014-11-18T22:30:55Z")
And as Gamergate crosses over into Bizarro-world … [the latest teaser trailer for _The Sarkeesian Effect_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tF8m0q_CQM&feature=youtu.be)includes _a sympathetic interview with Jack Thompson_ where he criticizes Anita Sarkessian! :eek: (_The Sarkeesian Effect_ is a crowd-sourced video intended to rebut the contents of Sarkessian’s feminist tropes videos. Jack Thompson was an attorney who filed lawsuits against game publishers in the early 2000’s, claiming that they were liable for murders committed by people who played their games. He has since been disbarred.) So now Gamergate (ostensibly a movement opposing censorship) is making common cause with the one man who worked the hardest to actually censor videogames. The mind boggles. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1289 "2014-11-18T22:43:36Z")
So GamerGate is officially and truly done now, right? No group that includes Jack Thompson as a positive force for video games can ever have the upper hand. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1290 "2014-11-19T22:42:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You know who else was a stupid and offensive analogy… Jack Thompson? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1291 "2014-11-19T22:54:05Z")
Who, interesting fact, I would totally fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1292 "2014-11-20T19:45:09Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > So GamerGate is officially and truly done now, right? No group that includes Jack Thompson as a positive force for video games can ever have the upper hand. [They say](http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2mq7ol/people_seem_confused_about_whether_or_not/): > [@](#): > > Jack Thompson is trending on twitter due to him [being in a video] with two supporters from GG, and people in GG agreeing with what he is saying in that video. Everyone opposed to GG has latched on to this as clear evidence that GG supports Jack Thompson. This is incorrect. It does kind of sound like the old [Hitler was a vegetarian](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar)/[guilt by association](http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html) thing to me… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1293 "2014-11-20T20:02:54Z")
Jack Thompson is a vegetarian? Huh. Who knew? (Yeah, there’s no way a bunch of gamers will be supporting him in any way.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1294 "2014-11-20T20:17:56Z")
> [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](#): > > It does kind of sound like the old [Hitler was a vegetarian](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar)/[guilt by association](http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html) thing to me… This a little different than the fallacies you cite. This is like a vegetarian group releasing a video of an interview with Hitler promoting vegetarianism. And then a bunch of people chime in saying “Whoa! Hitler is a vegetarian? I guess he’s not such a bad guy.” I suspect they were trying to do was send the message: “Even _Jack Thompson_ thinks Anita Sarkeesian is crazy! So she must be!” But what they wound up doing was giving Thompson a sympathetic platform to argue for more censorship of games. It’s like you interview Hitler about his vegetarian views and he uses the opportunity to explain why genocide is a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1295 "2014-11-20T20:39:44Z")
> [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](#): > > It does kind of sound like the old [Hitler was a vegetarian](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar)/[guilt by association](http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html) thing to me… The associated “guilt” here isn’t being pro-censorship, the guilt here is being too crazy and stupid to recognize when you’ve lost an argument, a trait both GamerGate and Thompson himself share in spades. Thompson is the guy who’s literally _too crazy for Florida_. Including Thompson as part of any advocacy campaign is a colossal misstep, because you are effectively admitting, “The only people we can get to support our cause are about two steps of rationality above a homeless street preacher.” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1296 "2014-11-20T20:43:13Z")
\*above \*?! ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1297 "2014-11-21T00:48:31Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > And as Gamergate crosses over into Bizarro-world … [the latest teaser trailer for _The Sarkeesian Effect_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tF8m0q_CQM&feature=youtu.be)includes _a sympathetic interview with Jack Thompson_ where he criticizes Anita Sarkessian! :eek: > > (_The Sarkeesian Effect_ is a crowd-sourced video intended to rebut the contents of Sarkessian’s feminist tropes videos. Jack Thompson was an attorney who filed lawsuits against game publishers in the early 2000’s, claiming that they were liable for murders committed by people who played their games. He has since been disbarred.) > > So now Gamergate (ostensibly a movement opposing censorship) is making common cause with the one man who worked the hardest to actually censor videogames. > > The mind boggles. About The Sarkeesian Effect, I reiterate, the only consideration it deserves is this video: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/nsdIHK8O5yo/hqdefault.jpg "The Sarkeesian Effect: A Measured Response") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdIHK8O5yo) ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1298 "2014-11-22T22:07:40Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > This a little different than the fallacies you cite. This is like a vegetarian group releasing a video of an interview with Hitler promoting vegetarianism. And then a bunch of people chime in saying “Whoa! Hitler is a vegetarian? I guess he’s not such a bad guy.” Calling the logical fallacy “Hitler was a vegetarian” is deliberate hyperbole. I don’t know from this Thompson guy, but I seriously doubt he was actually as evil as Hitler or even in the same league. More importantly, I’m not seeing a bunch of people chiming in any such thing, and the link I cited is evidence against that notion… ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1299 "2016-07-15T18:33:35Z")
> **[Warner Bros. Paid PewDiePie & Other YouTubers For Positive Reviews](https://screenrant.com/warner-bros-paid-pewdiepie-positive-youtube-reviews/)** > > Warner Bros. has settled Federal Trade Commission charges after paying 'influencers' like PewDiePie to promote games without proper disclosure. So, “ethics in journalism,” you say? ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1300 "2016-07-15T18:40:13Z")
PewDiePie is a journalist? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1301 "2016-07-15T18:47:37Z")
> [@PigArcher](#): > > PewDiePie is a journalist? Wellllllll…if a journalist is in this case a culture critic, and if a culture critic is someone who explains, in great detail, their opinion about an artwork to a large audience, and if a videogame is an artwork, then yeah, PewDiePie is a journalist. I don’t think any of those jumps are unreasonable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596.md?page=66)