# Gandalf In TFOTR: "\_\_\_\_\_\_, You Fools!" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2003, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777 "2003-08-31T06:48:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/41 "2003-09-04T05:59:39Z")
_The Fellowship of the Daytraders_: “Buy, you fools!” ---
**Author:** ![petre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bc8723/32.png) [@petre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/petre)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/42 "2003-10-22T16:05:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bambi Hassenpfeffer \* > \*\*I just wanted to say that of all the sad moments in the trilogy, this is the one where I tear up most. Especially watching FoTR the first time on screen, even though I knew it was coming. A testament to Ian McKellan’s abilities. > > Still do, when I see it, BTW. \*\* I remember tearing up the first time I saw it too. I thought, all those hours those guys spent designing and creating a model for that balrog and they throw it in a hole after 30 seconds. At least they get to use it again for the second movie 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ChordedZither](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9c0ed/32.png) [@ChordedZither](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChordedZither)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/43 "2003-10-22T16:09:05Z")
Shakespeare’s **Much Ado About One Ring** : Fie, you fools! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/44 "2003-10-22T16:34:56Z")
Quick question off topic, but I didn’t want to start a new thread: I was just rereading FOTR, and didn’t catch where Frodo dropped the ring and Boromir picked it up. I was positive that was in the book. Was it not on their trip up Caradras, or was it just a very small mention? ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/45 "2003-10-22T17:36:55Z")
**Munch** : I don’t remember that at all; paging LOTR fanatics! ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/46 "2003-10-22T17:49:08Z")
**Catcher of the Rings** : _“Rye, you Fools!”_ **X-Files of the Rings** : _“Lie, you Fools!”_ **Bedazzled by the Rings** : _“Everything I’ve ever told you has been a lie, you Fools!”_ **Twin Peaks with the Rings** : _“Pie, you Fools!”_ **Revenge of the Rings** : _“You’re just gonna stand there? Die, you Fools!”_ **Mall of the Rings** : _“Buy, you Fools!”_ **Plan 9 of the Rings** : _“Why, you Fools?”_ ---
**Author:** ![rouftop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@rouftop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rouftop)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/47 "2003-10-22T19:02:20Z")
**Fellowship of the Protologists** : Sigh. More stools. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/48 "2003-10-22T19:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shade \* > \*\ ***Munch** : I don’t remember that at all; paging LOTR fanatics! \*\* Never happened in the book. If you remember the scene from the book where Boromir attempts to seize the ring, he begins by “casually” asking Frodo for another look at it, saying he only got a glimpse of it in Rivendell. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/49 "2003-10-22T19:47:17Z")
Huh. Man, and I thought they had really picked up on a great moment in the book when they had it in the movies. In the book, if that were to happen, would Boromir have been instantly seduced by the Ring and run off? Gandalf actually touches the Ring in the book, and he was fine. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/50 "2003-10-22T20:17:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Munch \* > \*\*Gandalf actually touches the Ring in the book, and he was fine. \*\* Does he ever touch the ring? I don’t remember that. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/51 "2003-10-22T20:20:35Z")
_Weeblship of the Rings:_ “When come back, bring pie, you fool!” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/52 "2003-10-22T22:07:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Max\_Castle \* > \*\*Does he ever touch the ring? I don’t remember that. \*\* Gandalf is the one who threw the Ring into the fire at BagEnd. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/53 "2003-10-22T22:28:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kaylasdad99 \* > \*\*Gandalf is the one who threw the Ring into the fire at BagEnd. \*\* Yes, but did he actually _touch_ the ring in the process? I’ll have to check when I get home, but I don’t think he does. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/54 "2003-10-22T23:46:04Z")
In the movie, he throws the envelope holding the ring into the fire, which burns away. ---
**Author:** ![Ambumax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Ambumax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambumax)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2003, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/55 "2003-10-23T00:12:27Z")
Since I am re-reading the books right now, I have it close at hand. Let’s see… > [@](#): > > ``` > Frodo Took it from his breeches-pocket, where it was clasped to a chain that hung from his belt. He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddely very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it > > Gandalf held it up. It looked to be made of pure and solid gold. 'can you see any markings on it?' he asked. > > 'No,' said Frodo. 'There are none. It is quite plain, and it never shows a scratch or sign of wear' > > 'Well then, look!' To Frodo's astonishment and distress the wizard threw it suddely into the middle of a glowing corner of the fire. Frodo gave a cry and groped for the tongs; but Gandalf held him back. > > ``` and there you have it, Gandalf does touch the ring, albeit only briefly. Lord of They Might be Giants: Eye palindrome Eye, you fools! ---
**Author:** ![BlueMit11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@BlueMit11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMit11)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2003, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/56 "2003-10-23T01:52:33Z")
A Ring of their Own: There’s no crying in Moria, you fools! ---
**Author:** ![c\_carol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@c\_carol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_carol)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2003, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/57 "2003-10-23T02:28:23Z")
Ambumax, probably so, but it’s possible that Gandalf was holding it by the chain, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Ambumax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Ambumax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambumax)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2003, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/58 "2003-10-23T02:46:04Z")
I suppose so, c\_carol, I’ve never really thought of it that way. I guess it doesn’t really say that he took it into his hand or anything. Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Hometownboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5e9695/32.png) [@Hometownboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hometownboy)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2003, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/59 "2003-10-23T04:45:01Z")
**Fellowship of the Spinners** “Ply, you fools!” ---
**Author:** ![NoCoolUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5fc32e/32.png) [@NoCoolUserName](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoCoolUserName)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2003, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777/60 "2003-10-23T05:27:12Z")
Re: Gandalf touching the ring > [@](#): > > …For a moment the wizard stood looking at the fire; then he stooped and removed the ring to the hearth with the tongs, and at once picked it up. Frodo gasped. > 'It is quite cool, ’ said Gandalf. ‘Take it!’ Frodo received in on his shrinking palm… Clearly Frodo was shocked because Gandalf touched it with his bare hand. IMO the way it was handled in the movie was better, with Gandalf never directly touching the ring. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gandalf-in-tfotr-______-you-fools/198777.md?page=4)