# Gang Rape Psychology **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 27, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319 "2009-10-27T16:47:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/21 "2009-10-30T18:38:34Z")
> [@flano1](#): > > Agreed ANY rapist is worse than scum. > > I haven’t got a link, but this week 16 members of a football team in Victoria, Australia have been charged with gang rape. > > And, even more horrifying, it seems that they are in the 17-18 year old range. > > I have no words to describe my disgust. What happened to the presumption of innocence? I seem to remember a certain recent case in America. Duke, wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![fandango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b5ac83/32.png) [@fandango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fandango)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/22 "2009-10-30T18:41:25Z")
> [@Martiju](#): > > Not that I disagree with you, but interesting that you single out the girls as being inhuman. Actually, you singled them out. If you read the paragraph above in the same post you will see: > [@](#): > > I’m sorry but anyone who rapes anyone is automaticly inhuman scum. I suppose the poster didn’t want to be redundant. ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/23 "2009-10-30T19:21:44Z")
> [@fandango](#): > > Actually, you singled them out. No, the poster also said, after that, > [@](#): > > WTF?!?!?! The girls were _inhuman_ bitches and I hope they went to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Francis\_Vaughan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/francis_vaughan/32/3093_2.png) [@Francis\_Vaughan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francis_Vaughan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/24 "2009-10-31T13:18:10Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > WTF?!?!?! The girls were inhuman bitches and I hope they went to jail. Interesting that this got such a reaction. I tend to support the sentiment. There is a curious dichotomy here; we could reasonably assume that the girls understood, far better than the men, just how dreadful any woman would find this, and the depth of psycholocial harm that may be done. Guys seem to relate rape to aggravated assault, and little more. With little to no understanding of how devastating the long term issues many women victims face are. But the girls would have. So, in many ways, the girls involved were more inhuman than the males. They took joy in seeing, and helping in, my friend being assaulted and so damaged. My understanding is that some reasonably solid prison terms were handed out. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/25 "2009-10-31T14:01:41Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > That last part about the “other” I think is true of warfare but not of general crime. Most crime is intra-racial - black on black, white on white, etc. And gang-rapers do not see their targets as part of “their” group, but as “other,” and as objects. Race isn’t the only element of otherness out there. If only! ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/26 "2009-10-31T15:31:58Z")
> [@Bisected8](#): > > If only the world was that morally black and white. No human being is born more “evil” than any other. As Milgram and Zimbardo’s imfamous studies indicate, anyone can become a savage. Whichever of those is the one about people thinking they’re being ordered to electrocute experimental subjects, I want to point out, it doesn’t show what people of then think it shows. Only 60 percent of participants went all the way. That’s not good, but it’s no where near showing “anyone can become a savage.” ---
**Author:** ![Misfit98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c67d28/32.png) [@Misfit98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misfit98)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/27 "2011-05-29T06:00:26Z")
It’s probably all about control. But there’s another reason maybe. I’m reading this book, Transforming a Rape Culture. It’s pretty good. The book suggests that one reason why men gang rape is because they’re secretly gay inside. They hate their gayness. They’re ashamed of it. Because of society, religion, media, and also just because they’re disgusted with themselves. The female obviously doesn’t see the act as sexual because she’s being raped. But the men see the experience as sexual. They’re being connected with men to perform a sexual act. They probably form a connection and deeper relationship with their friends. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/28 "2011-05-29T06:16:29Z")
2009? Huh, I’d forgotten about this thread until I saw my own post. > [@Misfit98](#): > > The book suggests that one reason why men gang rape is because they’re secretly gay inside. They hate their gayness. They’re ashamed of it. Because of society, religion, media, and also just because they’re disgusted with themselves. The female obviously doesn’t see the act as sexual because she’s being raped. But the men see the experience as sexual. They’re being connected with men to perform a sexual act. They probably form a connection and deeper relationship with their friends. What do you think? Well, I could see some of the more pathological closeted I’m-not-gay types doing that (although I expect the ones that _aren’t_ gay would be just as bad since the problem isn’t that they _are_ gay but that they _fear_ being gay). Both out of a desire to “prove” they aren’t gay, and because the people who hate homosexuality have a lot of overlap with the ones that hate women, so two birds, one stone in their eyes; they “prove” they aren’t gay and get to hurt a woman in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/29 "2011-05-29T09:04:31Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > What happened to the presumption of innocence? I seem to remember a certain recent case in America. Duke, wasn’t it? Since the thread has been resurrected, I’ll point out that the football team case noted above [collapsed](http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/three-footballers-in-clear-as-gangrape-case-collapses-20100707-1007b.html) last year. > [@The Age](#): > > Three suburban footballers accused of pack raping a woman have had all charges against them dismissed in a Melbourne court. > > Reuben Mineo and Trent Cantwell, 19, Jack Reade, 20 and a minor who can’t be named were accused of raping a woman on Phillip Island in October last year. > > A committal hearing at Melbourne’s Magistrates Court for the three men before Magistrate Bill O’Day collapsed today. ---
**Author:** ![Premislaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f0a364/32.png) [@Premislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Premislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/30 "2011-05-29T10:34:00Z")
> [@Misfit98](#): > > It’s probably all about control. > > But there’s another reason maybe. I’m reading this book, Transforming a Rape Culture. It’s pretty good. The book suggests that one reason why men gang rape is because they’re secretly gay inside. They hate their gayness. They’re ashamed of it. Because of society, religion, media, and also just because they’re disgusted with themselves. The female obviously doesn’t see the act as sexual because she’s being raped. But the men see the experience as sexual. They’re being connected with men to perform a sexual act. They probably form a connection and deeper relationship with their friends. What do you think? Absolute twaddle. Seriously, **all** , or even majority of gang-rapers are gay? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gang-rape-psychology/515319/31 "2011-05-29T11:13:56Z")
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