# Gary Oldman defends Mel Gibson, Alec Baldwin **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 24, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568 "2014-06-24T23:14:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/21 "2014-06-25T09:35:34Z")
Yeah, I guess? Jewish-owned media inflate the image of wealthy Jews to show that members of the Tribe have made good. This seeps into the worldview of Gentiles who see that media, they start talking about the Rothschilds and ZOG. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![Ken001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/43a26b/32.png) [@Ken001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ken001)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/22 "2014-06-25T10:02:05Z")
Really Foolsguinea? Perhaps you need to get out more. In the larger world Jewish people are unremarkable and unnoticed. I say that having a Jewish wife and children who can be scottish presbyterian or jews as they choose. They’ve gone to church with me but as almost-adults give every impression of being agnostic. If they want to later follow Scottish or Jewish culture that is fine with me. Probably they will just be Kiwis. 😃 I find anti-semiticism abhorrent. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/23 "2014-06-25T10:56:03Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Yeah, I guess? Jewish-owned media inflate the image of wealthy Jews to show that members of the Tribe have made good. This seeps into the worldview of Gentiles who see that media, they start talking about the Rothschilds and ZOG. > > :shrug: Wow. This is far more insightful about you than it is about the world. Seek help. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/24 "2014-06-25T11:50:17Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > In the media bubble that is\* USA! (a Jewish-owned corporation)_[sup]TM[/sup], it sometimes feels like certain Zionist interests are running things for some particular interest of theirs, even when it’s really Anglo-Saxon imperialists and their Gulf State friends. Because on some level, the media like pretending that we are all about the poor deserving people of Israel. It takes a special kind of cynicism to realize that Hollywood is helping create an_ illusion\* of a…let’s say a “Zionist Overlord Government” :p–but _really_ the Jews aren’t actually running much of anything globally; they just want to feel like they’re in the halls of power internationally. I don’t think I’d fully processed that until just now. It’s kind of sad when you think about it. I’m having trouble parsing this. Are you saying Jewish bosses in Hollywood are trying to create the impression that Jews are far more powerful internationally than they actually are? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/25 "2014-06-25T12:20:11Z")
I think the best part is that this is one of his final statements in the interview: [QUOTE=Gary Oldman] “So this interview has gone very badly. You have to edit and cut half of what I’ve said, because it’s going to make me sound like a bigot.” [/QUOTE] I think he was drunk off his ass. Otherwise I have to believe that Gary Oldman is a complete moron and that just makes me sad. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/26 "2014-06-25T12:56:28Z")
Oh man, this is disappointing. I loved the fifth element. It wasn’t my first exposure to Mr Oldman, but I thought it really showed his range since I almost didn’t recognize him in that role. I see a big difference between Mel Gibson and Alec Baldwin though. I’ve never seen anything that implies Alec is actually homophobic, just bad tempered. But Mel appears to be truly anti-semitic and chauvinistic. Some actors should never give interviews. Meg Ryan, I’m looking at you. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/27 "2014-06-25T13:42:52Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I can’t help but notice he feels the need to apologize to Jewish people who may have been offended but doesn’t feel the need to apologize to blacks, gays, or women. Maybe he really DOES believe Jews control Hollywood ;). I mean, you have to apologize to the folks running things, but not the others ;). ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/28 "2014-06-25T14:28:54Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Yeah, I guess? Jewish-owned media inflate the image of wealthy Jews to show that members of the Tribe have made good. This seeps into the worldview of Gentiles who see that media, they start talking about the Rothschilds and ZOG. > > :shrug: Are \*you \*drunk? 😕 Is this some weird meta thing? I’ve never thought of you as anti-Semitic and with over 10,000 posts you’ve been here a while. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/29 "2014-06-25T14:35:29Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Yeah, I guess? Jewish-owned media inflate the image of wealthy Jews to show that members of the Tribe have made good. This seeps into the worldview of Gentiles who see that media, they start talking about the Rothschilds and ZOG. > > :shrug: Holy shit. It always surprises me when someone I’ve seen around the boards forever posts something of their beliefs that makes my head spin. Well done, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/30 "2014-06-25T14:36:57Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Yeah, I guess? Jewish-owned media inflate the image of wealthy Jews to show that members of the Tribe have made good. This seeps into the worldview of Gentiles who see that media, they start talking about the Rothschilds and ZOG. > > :shrug: Um…What? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/31 "2014-06-25T14:46:08Z")
Likely just a coincidence, but guess who did sound mixing for Oldman’s last few movies. I wish. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/32 "2014-06-25T14:54:39Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > It seems like a lot of bigoted people think that everyone thinks like them, and we’re just holding it in somehow. I guess it needs to be said every time, but: No, no. It really never does occur to most people to use ethnic and or sexual slurs. It’s just not a part of our vocabulary. This, so this. The old “I’m just saying it, but **all of you** are thinking it” canard used to varnish bigotry is something I expect from Larry The Cable Guy, not Gary Oldman. How disappointing. Having said that, Gary Oldman seems positively normal compared to the direction this thread has taken. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/33 "2014-06-25T14:58:39Z")
poor, Gary he must have thought it was white boy day. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/34 "2014-06-25T15:59:53Z")
So we’re learning a lot here- and not just about Gary Oldman! ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/35 "2014-06-25T16:12:35Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Likely just a coincidence, but guess who did sound mixing for Oldman’s last few movies. > > I wish. 😃 That’s funny right there! ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/36 "2014-06-25T16:26:44Z")
That’s frustrating to read, but whatever ☹ I will be much less enthusiastic about watching his roles and admiring his work, but I won’t boycott him either. It’s a true shame he feels the way he does though. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/37 "2014-06-25T16:34:22Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > poor, Gary > > he must have thought it was white boy day. Winner. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/38 "2014-06-25T17:01:15Z")
He has [apologized](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/gary-oldman-makes-inevitable-apology-for-mel-gibson-comments-in-playboy-interview-9561257.html) today, for whatever that’s worth. With very few weasel words as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/39 "2014-06-25T17:06:31Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > He has [apologized](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/gary-oldman-makes-inevitable-apology-for-mel-gibson-comments-in-playboy-interview-9561257.html) today, for whatever that’s worth. With very few weasel words as far as I can tell. Well, he apologized for the antisemitism. I guess that means that homophobia and racism are still OK in his book. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568/40 "2014-06-25T17:41:59Z")
Truly, truly, depressing. I guess that’s one more actor whose WORK I enjoy, in spite of what they’re actually like as a person. **foolsguinea** , have you gotten into Mel Gibson’s liquor cabinet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gary-oldman-defends-mel-gibson-alec-baldwin/691568.md?page=3)