# Gaudere, I believe you are in error. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897 "2004-05-19T02:53:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/121 "2004-05-20T16:09:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Who did he used to be? [Libertarian \> Liberal???](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4870283#post4870283) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/122 "2004-05-20T16:15:37Z")
> [@Daniel](#): > > As an aside, Lib, you wondered why I had a hardon for your silly namechange; it’s precisely because of cryptic little self-righteous drive-bys like the one you just did. Okay, well it was mystifying. You and I had worked hard to develop a mutual respect, but I suppose that if you were to change your user name, I might react the same way. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/123 "2004-05-20T16:46:40Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > [Libertarian \> Liberal???](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4870283#post4870283) I didn’t read that thread because I thought it was a discussion of beliefs and the “\>” implied that Libertarians were better than Liberals and I didn’t want to get into it. Dorky, I try real hard to forget the negative aspects of people’s posting styles. That is why I can read posts by Bricker, or for that matter Liber-whoever and not be influenced by the times they’ve made me mad. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/124 "2004-05-20T16:50:23Z")
Don’t forget, **drop** , if you hover your mouse cursor over the thread title, the opening to the thread’s displayed. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/125 "2004-05-20T17:39:27Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Okay, well it was mystifying. You and I had worked hard to develop a mutual respect, but I suppose that if you were to change your user name, I might react the same way. And the snide sarcasm just keeps coming. If this is your version of respect, then I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at anything you say. Remember who it was who called my political philosophy the wallet-driven motivation of a thousand zombielike dogooders, and ask yourself just how much of a high-road you’re entitled to take. I’ll resume giving you respect when you quit deriding and distorting my beliefs. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/126 "2004-05-20T17:44:30Z")
Well, I’ll stop then. Your respect is worth more to me than any of the other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/127 "2004-05-20T17:51:00Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Well, I’ll stop then. Your respect is worth more to me than any of the other stuff. Thank you; I appreciate it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/128 "2004-05-20T18:38:51Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > I do believe that there are members of this message board who did and do support Saddam – at least enough to earn the sobriquet. I’ll ask again. Do you believe that I support child prostitution? > [@manhattan](#): > > I have no wish to spend my time on this message board in the Pit, nor do I wish to go on any crusades. I do want to unjerk a few knees between posts to the economic threads. I do wish to make an assertion without having it called “Republican porn.” I do wish to make a GQ-style post in response to a good-faith GD that has a heavy GQ component without being called an “apologist.” I do wish to not see people say things like “Never confuse (this or that person) with the facts.” I _do_ wish to be able to go tit for tat in GD without fear that tit will be allowed and tat will not. But again, if it’s your intent to hold different posters to different standards, just say so unambiguously and I’m on board. Change starts at home. If you lay down your frequent use of the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle, such as your use of the epithet “Saddamite”, then you may notice others doing the same for you. Or maybe not. It is entirely possible that turning the other cheek will only result in having both cheeks slapped. I’d still rather have both cheeks slapped and know that I did nothing to deserve it than lower myself to posting unfair, and intentionally hurtful, characterizations of my fellow human beings. Ultimately you are not responsible for the partisan sniping of others, only the partisan sniping you post. All it does is lead to divisiveness and that is the real crime. Now the hurt feelings take center stage and everyone starts talking past each other instead of to each other. Now there is lots of fighting, but it is person fighting person not fighting ignorance. Actually it is less than that, it is each group fighting straw men of the other group. Can’t think of a worse way to waste the potential for illuminating discourse on this board. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/129 "2004-05-20T20:24:14Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > But… we have an agenda, now? Could someone inform me what it is, please, because I seemed to have missed _that_ fucking memo. :rolleyes: Why, to keep the poor repressed Bush-lovin’ Republicans under your collective thumbs, of course! Aside from Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Bill O’Reilly, Clear Channel, Mike Savage, Ann Coulter, the Wall Street Journal, and the National Standard, they don’t have any place to share their views! _Oh the humanity!_ :rolleyes: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/130 "2004-05-20T23:56:12Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > I do remember you saying something before about turning over a new leaf in GD. I am disappointed that you instead choose to follow the example of people like Evil Captor. He’s not converting people to his side; you know that. I know that _now_ because you said so. I haven’t opened the thread, nor will I – why would I. What I knew at the time is that there was a thread title in your forum which asserted that Republicans support torture. I also know that you tolerate one-off, non-specific insults towards groups of people, whether the insults fight ignorance or not. > [@](#): > > Do you truly intend post as obnoixously as you possibly can juuuust within the rules of GD? To re-reiterate, no. When I posted that term I meant it as general and didn’t have an inkling of a hint of a clue that it was anywhere near the rules of GD. > [@](#): > > I know what you’re doing–you’re worried I’m going to surpass your Pit thread record since I’ve been pitted 'cause of you twice in the past two weeks! Well, it won’t work, buster! Keep posting like you have and I’ll beat your record by Thanksgiving; because either you’re going to Pit me for warning you due to my Liberal Bias or _other_ posters will Pit me for NOT warning you due to my Ex-Mod Bias. I can’t lose! 😛 😉 Ooh. I had not considered this possibility. That cannot be allowed to happen. 😉 Fine, then, you win this time! 😃 Nothing “borderline” (whether I believe at the time it is borderline or not), nothing nothing. In return, I’d ask the following favor – not as a condition, but as a favor. Please consider protecting all of the links in the GD chain as well as you protect some of the, uh, weaker ones. Let’s not make this about me. Run a search for posts in GD containing the word “Brutus” for examples. Examine such gems as “Comrade Brutus” and “Never confuse Sam Stone or Brutus with facts” and " Just watch or listen to something other than the right wing mouthpieces sometime" and “Brutus falls into the Right Wing Authoritarian quadrant, which he incidently shares with such beloved figures as George W. Bush, Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Makes you proud, doesn’t it Brutus? (when choices the person _could_ have used include Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, John Howard and others)” And then give honest consideration to the possibility that you’re reacting more to who pushes the “report this post” button most often and should rely more on your own judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Scene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Bob\_Scene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Scene)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/131 "2004-05-21T00:08:13Z")
Hey, Manhattan! Are you wearing your combat fatigues? Do you have a pack on your back, an M-16 in your hand and a knife clenched in your teeth? Are you all ready for me to put you in a helicopter and drop you off on a North Korean beach? What? You’re not itching to storm the beaches of North Korea? Then shut up! You ain’t nothing but a fucking Kim Jong Ilist! ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/132 "2004-05-21T03:58:44Z")
> [@](#): > > just ftr, I think that col is a Pubbie. He’s at least conservative. Well, crud, then how’d I get slammed for liberal bias for letting him stay for so long? Some people need to keep better track of what group I’m being biased against each time. I should get at least 40 accusations of “Liberal Bias” moved over to the “Conservative Bias” column for that. 😉 > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > He’s not converting people to his side; you know that. > > I know that now because you said so. I haven’t opened the thread, nor will I – why would I. You know he’s not an effective converter only because I said so? Also, people should probably read a thread before you start making assumptions about a forum, or they’ll think the “hot wet pink pussy” threads in MPSIMS mean it’s OK to post porn rather than meaning it’s OK to talk about bathing a feverish hairless cat. 😉 Lousy arguments are lousy arguments; rabidly partisian types may say “Yeaaaah! Fight the power! Way to tell it like it is! You rebel!”, most people just think “Jesus what an asshole.” Plus the GDer’s will helpfully explain exactly why an argument is lousy, and sometimes the maker of the lousy argument may even learn something. It does happen. And it won’t happen if people aren’t allowed to make lousy arguments, even in GD. Sometimes people post threads in a forum you’d rather they not, but you allow it anyway in the interests of fighting ignorance. I’m sure you could have done without a few of the pus/shit/semen threads in GQ. 😉 > [@](#): > > When I posted that term I meant it as general and didn’t have an inkling of a hint of a clue that it was anywhere near the rules of GD. I’m confused. In your OP you say: “You said, “it was just two weeks ago where you apologized for not respecting this forum. And yet you call your fellow posters ‘Saddamites’?” Yes to both counts.” So you say you were calling posters in that thread Saddaamites. But now you say it was a general term, not one directed at any particular posters. When someone posts in a thread that’s about a particlar argument and says “I’m always curious to see what [argument] the Saddamites in this forum will come up with next. … have y’all abandoned this semantically contradictory, factually incorrect and racist assertion… I was wondering where the Saddamites on this board would go…” I assume the poster is in fact talking about posters in that thread who have actually made the argument. If someone comes into a thread and says “Y’all are morons!” I don’t think “hm, he must be using ‘y’all’ to refer to some generalized group, not anyone posting in this thread.” Perhaps you could be more clear next time. > [@](#): > > Nothing “borderline” (whether I believe at the time it is borderline or not), nothing nothing. Thank you very much. I appreciate this greatly. > [@](#): > > Run a search for posts in GD containing the word “Brutus” for examples. Examine such gems as “Comrade Brutus” and “Never confuse Sam Stone or Brutus with facts” and " Just watch or listen to something other than the right wing mouthpieces sometime" and “Brutus falls into the Right Wing Authoritarian quadrant, which he incidently shares with such beloved figures as George W. Bush, Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Makes you proud, doesn’t it Brutus? (when choices the person could have used include Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher, John Howard and others)” I thought your problem with me was that I allowed too many borderline-insults, period, not that I had a Liberal Bias. I could also do a quick search in the past month for “Reeder” or Evil Captor" and get things like this ;): “Borders on [lying]? It’s smack-dab in the middle of downtown, like practically every other word Diogenes or Evil Captor posts about Bush or Republicans” “Americans are just backwards morons for the most part.”“Not all of us, Diogenes. Maybe it’s just you.” (This one I should have caught, I get busy one ^%$%# day and everything explodes) “Leftists are the ones with the pointy hoods and white robes, I think.[…]Hitler was a Leftist” “Tinfoil lunacy worthy of Reeder.” “This is your most out there tin foil hat conspiricy yet, reeder. I’m actually in awe at the moment.” "BTW, Saddam’s lawyer was on 60 Minutes last night and he seemed to indicate that his strategy was not so much to demonstrate Saddam as innocent than to implicate America and the West with his crimes. " “Saddam’s attorney is Reeder?” Frankly, _anyone_ who posts like that to _anyone_ is not winning people to their sides and is, IMHO, being a dip. > [@](#): > > And then give honest consideration to the possibility that you’re reacting more to who pushes the “report this post” button most often and should rely more on your own judgement. I certainly will try. Probably about 1/2 to 1/3 of posts I take action on were not reported. However, I am not yet omniscient and sometimes miss things. Brutus and Shodan can report posts as well (and do). Also, I ask that people who report posts please not be obnoxious about it. I mean, seriously, reading an implied “you’re a lousy mod! you suck,” on a reported post gets tiring after the first dozen. No one has to be less obnoxious, of course, but it would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/133 "2004-05-21T04:03:04Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > 😉 This smiley resembles a one-eyed french hooker. What does the administration of this board have against one eyed french hookers? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/134 "2004-05-21T04:57:28Z")
> [@Berkut](#): > > This smiley resembles a one-eyed french hooker. What does the administration of this board have against one eyed french hookers? Come on now! If he was _against_ one eyed French hookers, don’t you think he would refrain from using them? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/135 "2004-05-21T05:01:17Z")
A rapturous young fellatrix One day was at work on five pricks. With an unholy cry She whipped out her glass eye: “Tell the boys I can now take on six.” ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/136 "2004-05-21T05:05:07Z")
Also: To a whore a young fellow named Clyde Said, “I’ll pay if new sex you provide.” Her glass eye she took out And she said, “Without doubt, Here’s a fuck that you never have tried.” He gave her the dough from his pocket And his prick he slipped into the socket. Before he could blink She gave it a wink And his pecker went off like a rocket. “My God!” shouted Clyde as he blew, “I must have another such screw. For more cash I must go.” And the harlot said, “So, I’ll be keeping an eye out for you.” ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/137 "2004-05-21T05:27:16Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > This is your most out there tin foil hat conspiricy yet, reeder. I’m actually in awe at the moment Well, it WAS you know. 😛 Ok, that was me, I fess up. I think it was appropriate for the thread, but perhaps I’m getting close to the line myself these days. BTW, Collounsbury was Collounsbury. I don’t think he could be characterized as either liberal or conservative. He was more like a force of nature. Though I often disagreed with him, I usually found his post (those not dripped in venom and invective) to be quite interesting…I was sorry to see him go (though not surprised). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/138 "2004-05-21T11:10:10Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > Also: To a whore a young fellow named Clyde > Said, “I’ll pay if new sex you provide.” > Her glass eye she took out > And she said, “Without doubt, > Here’s a fuck that you never have tried.” > > He gave her the dough from his pocket > And his prick he slipped into the socket. > Before he could blink > She gave it a wink > And his pecker went off like a rocket. > > “My God!” shouted Clyde as he blew, > “I must have another such screw. > For more cash I must go.” > And the harlot said, “So, > I’ll be keeping an eye out for you.” 😕 I thought you were rather disdainful of scatological imagery. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/139 "2004-05-21T12:18:07Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > … > She whipped out her glass eye: > “Tell the boys I can now take on six.” That is just…so wrong. Only because we all know there is some guy out there that would try. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897/140 "2004-05-21T13:15:04Z")
Those were excellent, **Gaudere**! My waking up process has been improved today. **Liberal** - scatological? You have lost your dictionary, haven’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gaudere-i-believe-you-are-in-error/245897.md?page=8)