# Gay Adoption **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2002, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313 "2002-06-10T21:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313/101 "2002-06-17T17:29:33Z")
Here’s the article from the [Voir](http://www.voir.ca/montreal/actualite/actualite.asp?Id=21170). > [@](#): > > \*from the \*Voir _article “Homoparentalité,” translated from French by the poster_: > **This research coming from a number of Western nations comes to essentially the same conclusions: yes, children of same-sex parents are happy; no, homosexuals are not dysfunctional parents. The American Academy of Pediatrics, which includes 55 000 doctors, announced at the beginning of the year that it would support the right of gays and lesbians who meet the same criteria as heterosexuals to become parents. Over a period of 20 years, the academy has analysed the behaviour of three hundred children raised by lesbians, and compared them with 300 other children raised by heterosexual mothers. The result? No notable difference was discovered between the two, in categories of the development of sexual identity, gender roles, sexual orientation, behavioural problems, relationships with peers, moral judgment, etc. “The results of the research are quite uniform – the popular stereotypes are not confirmed by the data,” according to the American Psychological Association in one of its most recent studies. By stereotypes, the APA emphasizes one argument currently advanced – children risk (sic) becoming homosexual. That’s laughable, the Association found. The percentage of homosexuals among children raised by homosexual parents is no larger than that among those raised by heterosexual parents (between 1% and 10%)** It’s a great article. anyone who reads French should follow the link and read the whole thing. This paragraph is about 2/5 of the way down the page. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313/102 "2002-06-17T20:32:47Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally by Hamish_“And I can’t believe you have the nerve to accuse me of being non-factual. You’re the guy who presented his all-lesbians-hate-men-and-own-only-female-dogs theory as if it were a proven fact.” > [@](#): > > Ace, it was an exaggeration for comic effect. You’ll see I quoted the nearly-as-bad original above, where I cut-and-paste your distortions from the original thread. I see. I’ll tell you what _is_ funny – I was expecting something more along the lines of: “I’m sorry, of course you were right, there is such a thing as misandrist lesbians, I was hoping nobody would call me on it. I was, and continue to be a complete ass to continually ask for cites, be proven wrong, and then… continually ask for cites again. That accounts for why my credibility approaches absolute zero. Let’s make up – here, let me post something useful and pertinent to the debate.” Congratulations, though, on the scintillating lameness of your ‘comic effect’ excuse. And now I see your Voir article, and I begin to think you haven’t read anything: > [@](#): > > The American Academy of Pediatrics, which includes 55 000 doctors, announced at the beginning of the year that it would support the right of gays and lesbians who meet the same criteria as heterosexuals to become parents > [@](#): > > the academy has analysed the behaviour of three hundred children raised by lesbians What kind of fucked up science is that? Might as well say, and the rights of manatees, hydrox eaters, and aliens from sector alpha. You can’t compare lesbian half-biological parenting to friggin gay adopting! **CJ** , did you want to step in here with how supersets do not inherit properties of subsets!?This is an absolutely _bogus_ conclusion – Then after that bogosity, we have this stinker of a sentence: > [@](#): > > That’s laughable, the Association found. The percentage of homosexuals among children raised by homosexual parents is no larger than that among those raised by heterosexual parents (between 1% and 10%) Between 1 and 10%? Like, say 4% and 8%? That’d be only a 100% growth, nothing exciting… So what were the actual numbers? Not compassionate enough? This kind of phrasing should have everyone’s bogus science alert flashing around in their heads, and demanding to take a look at the actual numbers. This was a great article – it greatly confirmed the bogus, politicized nature of the current studies. And **Hamish** , I notice you’ve stumbled comically across some confirmation of my 96% straight number, despite your best efforts to stay ignorant. Please do your own research from here on out, I’m dog-tired of feeding you crow. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313/103 "2002-06-17T20:43:30Z")
Nice work in finding the article, **Hamish**. That _should_ be another nail in the coffin. Unfortunately, coffin lids seem to have little affect on the Un-brain-dead. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313/104 "2002-06-17T20:46:09Z")
Damn. Bitten by the grammar bug when rewording that. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313/105 "2002-06-17T21:04:49Z")
I’m thinking **Ace** and **The Ryan** are gonna be bestest buddies 'round here… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313/106 "2002-06-17T21:21:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > **That accounts for why my credibility approaches absolute zero. Let’s make up – here, let me post something useful and pertinent to the debate.** I _have_ posted plenty that’s useful. And you’re still stalling. > [@](#): > > **And now I see your Voir article, and I begin to think you haven’t read anything:What kind of fucked up science is that? Might as well say, and the rights of manatees, hydrox eaters, and aliens from sector alpha. You can’t compare lesbian half-biological parenting to friggin gay adopting! CJ, did you want to step in here with how supersets do not inherit properties of subsets!?** Regardless of subsets and supersets, **Ace** , let’s ask a couple of very common-sense questions. Do you, **Ace** , think that a biological lesbian parent is _less_ likely to raise a gay child than an adoptive one? Do you think that gay fathers would be more likely to raise a gay child where a lesbian couple would not? You’re building card-castles out of abstract logic in order to escape the basic point. This is sophistry. The differences you raise are not likely to affect the data in this case. Besides, you’re only talking about the American Association of Pediatrics. Not the other study done by the APA. Not any of the other hundreds of studies that included gay males. And incidently, you have only been able to find _one_ study that suggests a _slightly_ higher percentage of children of gay parents come out as gay. One. And that’s the one _you_ accept, against the hundreds of others, because it confirms your pre-existing prejudices. But I guess that’s just me being “defensive,” eh, **Ace**? Because what **Ace0Spades** believes must be the truth, no matter how much evidence to the contrary. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > \*\*And **Hamish** , I notice you’ve stumbled comically across some confirmation of my 96% straight number, despite your best efforts to stay ignorant. Please do your own research from here on out, I’m dog-tired of feeding you crow. \*\* Really? Walk me through this, **Ace**. Step by step, please. Exactly how does _anything_ I have _ever_ posted even _imply_ that 96% of gay parents would reject a heterosexual child? You’re speaking in non-sequitors. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-adoption/113313.md?page=5)