# Gay marriage bashers: have you actually MET any gay people? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883 "2004-02-18T22:28:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/201 "2004-02-25T08:21:11Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > Learn to read… and find for me where exactly I said that… So, you CAN defend it with something more substantial than “gays are icky”? Do tell. ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/202 "2004-02-25T08:43:26Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > Regarding your last question, “Yes”. Adults can give informed consent and by and large they are capable of entering into a healthy physical relationship. Kids can utter words like “Yes” and “OK” but they are NOT READY to enter into a physical relationship and doing so will pretty much fuck them up, thus you aren’t allowed to have sex with kids (as much as you seem to think it’s acceptable if you knock 'em up). Protecting kids is the issue and thus the informed consent proviso. Nope… a kid will usually get jipped into having sex by some guy in the case you describe. I don’t consider that consent. I will give you a lollypop if you spread your legs and let my weewee in and then the little girl saying yes is not consent in my books. What I mean by consent is, as I sort of mentioned before, scientifically explaining the entire process and all consequences thereof, (and ofcourse i implicitly mean that the subject must understand all of this that’s being explained to them) and THEN getting the approval. It is judged that a normal child under 18 will not ‘understand’ and that’s why their approval is not considered consent. However, some children DO understand and some people over the age of 18 DONT. THAT’s my point. IF THEY UNDERSTAND, then they can consent (not in the legal sense), and are not being ‘taken advantage’ of. Do YOU understand? > [@Valgard](#): > > If you need further explanation r.e. bestiality we can also discuss why sex with a grain auger is a bad idea. > > Tell you what, since you list one of your hobbies as “Meeting Women” why don’t you use the child-sex thing as an opening line? I’m sure it’ll be a big hit! Why is sex with a grain auger a bad idea, if the grain auger consents? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/203 "2004-02-25T08:46:52Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > You are FREAK SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. Thank you for demonstrating why Bush’s proposed Constitutional Amendment is wrong – because it would legitimize turning a portion of the population into “freak second-class citizens.” Which flies smack against the whole notion of “all men are created equal”… ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/204 "2004-02-25T08:46:56Z")
> [@carrot](#): > > So, you CAN defend it with something more substantial than “gays are icky”? Do tell. have you been at all reading my posts? does ‘gays cant reproduce’ = ‘gays are icky’ to you? Although I admit I DO find them icky, it was NEVER a part of my argument. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/205 "2004-02-25T08:49:38Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > have you been at all reading my posts? does ‘gays cant reproduce’ = ‘gays are icky’ to you? Although I admit I DO find them icky, it was NEVER a part of my argument. Then how about my earlier post asking if you advocate incarcerating infertile people as well? Have YOU been reading MY posts? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/206 "2004-02-25T08:56:17Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > have you been at all reading my posts? does ‘gays cant reproduce’ = ‘gays are icky’ to you? Although I admit I DO find them icky, it was NEVER a part of my argument. Well, yes, but that’s an incredibly transparent justification. You didn’t expect anyone to take something that ludicrous seriously, did you? We’re not that stupid. Your views are clearly emotionally, not rationally, based You may be fooling yourself (really, not that much of a trick) but you’re not fooling anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/207 "2004-02-25T09:20:08Z")
> [@carrot](#): > > Then how about my earlier post asking if you advocate incarcerating infertile people as well? Have YOU been reading MY posts? And you ignored mine too? You still have not provided the difference between homos and all the rest of the bad stuff like paedo, beasto, necro, and incest. ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/208 "2004-02-25T09:25:19Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > “all men are created equal”… This one I mean… For fuck’s sake all men are NOT created equal. You know that as well as anyone else. You just dont want to believe it, because it’d justify that we should take away what you werent supposed to be given in the first place - a sense of equality. Some are created smart, some stupid, and some fucked up. It’s plain that you gays, together with all the other sex crims are created ‘fucked up’. ---
**Author:** ![Gartog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/22d042/32.png) [@Gartog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gartog)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/209 "2004-02-25T12:00:50Z")
Are you still here? ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/210 "2004-02-25T12:40:40Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > Don’t give me your pathetic excuse about infertile couples and overage marriages, because that’s what they are - pathetic excuses that take exceptional cases to be granted as the norm. If marriage is about reproduction, and only about reproduction, then why is raising the argument of infertile couples a “pathetic excuse?” Because it’s an “exceptional case?” That’s a pathetic excuse. You’re excluding that as an argument for no reason other than the fact that it’s rational and contradicts your own viewpoint perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/211 "2004-02-25T13:06:11Z")
[minor hijack] Why is consent the big dealbreaker over bestiality? We’ll butcher a sheep, skin it and eat it, and make glue out of its bones and fiddle-strings out of its intestines, all without its consent, so what’s the problem with fucking the poor thing instead? 😕 Granted, in a creature ordinarily capable of giving consent, but circumstantially incapable through, say, immaturity, mental deficiency, or intoxication, the objection’s clear; but given that an animal can’t consent to _anything_ we do to it, and that sheep-shagging’s arguably less cruel than using it for food, why in the world not? IANASS, btw. [/mh] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/212 "2004-02-25T13:51:28Z")
Dammit, and this was a perfectly good thread, too, with interesting, detailed discussion in it! :mad: I guess brawling with assholes is more fun than discussing things civilly. It’s not just trolls we shouldn’t feed, folks. The guy’s spouting hate speech. How 'bout we let the mods do their job, and ignore him until then? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/213 "2004-02-25T14:22:30Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > No… I really DONT give a fuck’s ass about what gay fucks think. OK? Because you are freaks that go against our own biological makeup but refuse to acknowledge that fact. You want your ‘thoughts’ to be acknowledged, then acknowledge the obvious first. You are FREAK SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. This is just sad. You’re prepared to devalue a group of people simply because we’re different from you. I’m wasting my breath, I suppose, but do you have any idea how much of the world’s evil begins with the assumption that people who are different are “second-class citizens”? Secondly, you put “thoughts” in quotation marks. Is your hatred so extreme that you don’t think we have thoughts, like anyone else? Are you assuming we aren’t human? I’m not even going to bother addressing the “biological makeup” question, except to say that I’ve always been gay. That’s how things are. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/214 "2004-02-25T14:39:45Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > Yes I have, and he’s in prison right now, where he belongs, as with the rest of you gay fucks. So you would throw me in prison? For what, you little fascist? Because I’m different from you in a way in some completely minor way. Why should it matter to you? Why do you care so much? You know, this used to happen. People did used to get to locked up for homsexuality. People’s lives were destroyed, their futures destroyed, because ignorant fucks like yourself couldn’t bear the thought of anyone living a different life from themselves. Where do people like you come from? What possibly goes through your heads? What is the mental process involved in coming to these conclusions? Please tell us, so we can avoid it. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/215 "2004-02-25T17:12:30Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > Why is sex with a grain auger a bad idea, if the grain auger consents? In this case, it’s actually reocmmended. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/216 "2004-02-25T18:44:05Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > For fuck’s sake all men are NOT created equal. For the love of all that’s good and decent about the United States, I hope you never get elected or selected into any government office. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/217 "2004-02-25T20:18:47Z")
**jkim78** , refrain from using hate speech on the SDMB. Yes, this includes the Pit. If you find yourself wondering if something qualifies as hate speech, it probably does. If you continue to use hate speech, I will ban you. Lynn For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/218 "2004-02-25T20:41:13Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > This one I mean… > > For fuck’s sake all men are NOT created equal. You know that as well as anyone else. You just dont want to believe it, because it’d justify that we should take away what you werent supposed to be given in the first place - a sense of equality. Some are created smart, some stupid, and some fucked up. It’s plain that you gays, together with all the other sex crims are created ‘fucked up’. Folks, I now believe in reincarnation. Obviously, **jkim78** is the reincarnation of Nathan Bedford Forrest, the long-dead illustrious founder of the Ku Klux Klan. But in this century, he’s discovered that railing about the natural inferiority of niggers and how we shouldn’t let those subhuman darkies pollute the gene pool of the superior white race is out of fashion, and there are no longer any miscegenation laws for him to uphold. So he’s switched targets and decided to go after faggots instead. How nice. **jkim78** , you are as noxious a bigot as they come. And you’re fighting a losing battle, because MOST people are disgusted by bigotry once they recognise it. Keep talking, and take your righteous wrath to the streets in protest - for the more hate that spews from your vile mouth, the faster the decent citizens of the United States will see your position for what it is, and the faster they will act to insure that the fundamental human rights of homosexuals, like blacks and Jews in earlier decades, are legally recognised and protected. And know that the day is coming when your descendents will look back on you in horror, just as we revile slaveholders today. History will not treat your sort kindly. ---
**Author:** ![Gomez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gomez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gomez)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/219 "2004-02-25T20:45:14Z")
[This article](http://www.mykeru.com/weekly/2004_0222_0228.html#022504) might be of interest. It’s a damn shame this guy got banned here. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883/220 "2004-02-25T21:10:07Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > If you continue to use hate speech, I will ban you. Thankee, **Lynn**. It bugs the shit out of me when an interesting discussion is disrupted by an asshole, like a baboon at a dinner party. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-bashers-have-you-actually-met-any-gay-people/229883.md?page=10)