# Gay marriage, gay rights and WTF is wrong with people? (long, probably incoherent rantage) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704 "2010-04-11T05:10:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/81 "2010-04-12T04:10:13Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > “Reverse racism” is bad too, but it’s not exactly the same when it comes to little things like commenting on the “pasty white face” of a guy who was almost certainly a white supremacist. Am I the only one who thinks the phrase “reverse racism” is bullshit? Black on white racism may not be as bad, but it’s not “reverse racism.” It’s just “racism.” ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/82 "2010-04-12T04:16:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Am I the only one who thinks the phrase “reverse racism” is bullshit? Black on white racism may not be as bad, but it’s not “reverse racism.” It’s just “racism.” No, you’re not, Sparky. That’s why I put it in quotes. Most people don’t like the term, but it made sense to use the in context of my post. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/83 "2010-04-12T04:39:56Z")
Glad to hear you’re okay and that you have a sensible wife. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/84 "2010-04-12T10:26:12Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > It’s not that it’s all good, but there is a difference. I hate it when people act like racism in the United States is EXACTLY, PERFECTLY a 2-way street. It’s not. Whites have, historically, been the bad guy. Like it or not, that’s a fact. And we’re still the majority, and we still commit damn near all the major, institutionalized racism (see incarceration and death penalty rates by race, Joe Arpaio’s neighborhood “crime sweeps” [where it’s illegal to be Mexican for a day], etc etc.) “Reverse racism” is bad too, but it’s not exactly the same when it comes to little things like commenting on the “pasty white face” of a guy who was almost certainly a white supremacist. All’s I know is: That Xtisme is one _sassy_, fiery Latino, correct? ¡Ay chihuahua! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/85 "2010-04-12T13:56:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What we need is public boxatoriums, with full size ring and the really big pillowy gloves. Objective referres. Cardiac team on site, 24/7/365. 'Course the soft guys wont let us do anything like that, no wife or daughter will so casually risk the moron entrusted to their care and guidance. You didn’t know that? OK, well, now you do. Roxy, a local nightclub, had a long-running promotion called Monday Night Fights, where you could [fight your friends](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ve8isKQpMA&feature=related) (or complete strangers) as long as you were within 25 lbs. of each other. Unfortunately, the state legislature banned all types of amateur hand-to-hand combat after a woman was killed in a Jell-O wrestling match in Fort Myers. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/86 "2010-04-12T14:03:54Z")
Have fun in AA. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/87 "2010-04-12T14:04:44Z")
Wait a minute! She wrestled Jell-O and _lost_?! ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/88 "2010-04-12T15:24:27Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > … **I wish these guys had just left us alone** , and I wish that people didn’t feel as they do on this subject…and don’t feel that they need to resort to the kinds of vile things that were said, or the need to show ‘gays and their faggy friends’ whatever these bozos thought they were showing us (how to bleed mostly, from the hazy memories I have)… > > …Couple of last things. **Should we have kept our opinions to ourselves and not discussed such a sensitive thing in public? WTF?** Is this the fucking dark ages? We can’t talk about gay issues in public because if we do then it might piss some guys off and make them want to beat the crap out of us? Fuck THAT. And if you think that, fuck you too. > > -XT This is the part where I totally agree with you and, although I don’t believe violence is the answer, their jumping into your conversation (and being hostile and belligerent) is where it all starts. Even if your original post stood, what right did these people have to butt into your conversation? I can also agree with others, again, that violence is not the answer but (i) I’m surprised that many started with the “no violence” angle and not the invasion of your conversation angle, and (ii) sometimes, especially if this second version is true, you have to defend yourself. Yes, you were in a bar and no, you didn’t know exactly who might be listening, reacting, etc., but who cares. It was an invasion, if not of privacy then of the Court-of-Public-Opinion-decided variety known as “A-B-C.”\* I’ve been in situations where I’ve overheard people verbally bashing gays and/or blacks and/or Mississippians (I’m all three) but I had the common sense to know _it was not my place to insinuate myself into their conversation_ and _educate on what they should really think_! If it’s a conversation I’m involved in, that’s a different story. - This is a conversation between “A” and “B,” “C” your way out of it. > [@MTCicero](#): > > All’s I know is: That Xtisme is one _sassy_, fiery Latino, correct? ¡Ay chihuahua! Knife fight! ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/89 "2010-04-12T15:36:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, the OP’s story, right there, is a prime example of why I hardly ever go to bars any more. I find I have far fewer encounters with drunken fuckwits that way. Me too. By staying home I only have to deal with one drunk asshole at a time. [QUOTE=MeanOldLady] What did we decide? [/QUOTE] It’s a bad combination. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/90 "2010-04-12T15:41:27Z")
How did the third guy ‘sucker punch’ you? You stomped guy one and punched guy two and you weren’t expecting guy 3 to defend himself? No sucker punch there. I’m glad you’re not dead though. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/91 "2010-04-12T15:53:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I haven’t followed/am not aware of Magellan’s views on SSM, so I’m curious to see him elaborate on his position. Noooh! please don’t ask that! :eek: just go search his name and postings! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/92 "2010-04-12T16:00:47Z")
Oh, and because even though we’re in the BBQ Pit, this is still the Straight Dope, so: [QUOTE=xtisme] That look on your pasty white face was, as in the Visa commercials…priceless [/QUOTE] [nitpick][del]Visa[/del] Mastercard commercials…priceless[/nitpick] 😛 In all seriousness, I’m glad you survived with only a shiner and bruises, but I would hate to see your name on **Marley’s** “in memoriam” list, so please re-consider your bar fight policy. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/93 "2010-04-12T16:01:49Z")
I get that fighing is bad and all that stuff. Hooray for us! But fuck those homophobic assholes. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/94 "2010-04-12T17:48:00Z")
That OP is sad in so many ways. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/95 "2010-04-12T17:57:36Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > That OP is sad in so many ways. What? The OP had everything! Drunk Mexicans, hillbilies, fights, queers. It was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/96 "2010-04-12T18:01:52Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > That OP is sad in so many ways. Oh yeah? You wanna take it outside and back that up, old man? I didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/97 "2010-04-12T18:02:59Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > That OP is sad in so many ways. Why? No poodles were given haircuts in the making of the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/98 "2010-04-12T18:23:56Z")
**xtisme** , my brain says you’re a fucking moron, but my guts say way to go. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Also, same sex marriage has been illegal for nearly all of human history, if not actually criminalized. For what part of human history and in what cultures has marriage had the same legal rights and implications as it currently does? Same-sex marriage might be a recent thing, but so is legal marriage as it’s practiced in the U.S. (Unless you want to try to convince me that you had to be married to your opposite-sex partner in the Eurasian Steppe in 1324 to get on their health insurance.) Oh, and it looks like there may be some [historical precedents](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Ancient) for same-sex marriages after all. > [@Frank](#): > > I submit that all marriages should be civil unions, performed by a secular official, and the gayness or straightness of the couple is completely irrelevant. These are the marriages that would be legally recognized for purposes of spousal health insurance, filing married with the IRS, etc., etc., etc. Hah! I was about to respond to the exact same post with the exact same suggestion. I’ve been saying for years that all legal “marriages” should be civil unions, and “marriages” should be reserved for what’s performed by a religious institution. That way, intolerant religions can forbid same-sex marriage all they want without it affecting people’s actual, y’know, lives. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/99 "2010-04-12T18:33:48Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > For what part of human history and in what cultures has marriage had the same legal rights and implications as it currently does? Same-sex marriage might be a recent thing, but so is legal marriage as it’s practiced in the U.S. (Unless you want to try to convince me that you had to be married to your opposite-sex partner in the Eurasian Steppe in 1324 to get on their health insurance.) Oh, and it looks like there may be some [historical precedents](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Ancient) for same-sex marriages after all. If you’d quoted the whole of my post you’d probably have noticed that I don’t actually think that’s a valid argument, y’know. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704/100 "2010-04-12T19:05:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If you’d quoted the whole of my post you’d probably have noticed that I don’t actually think that’s a valid argument, y’know. I read the whole thing. You’re saying it exists but it’s not a legitimate reason to currently outlaw same-sex marriages; I’m questioning whether it even exists at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-gay-rights-and-wtf-is-wrong-with-people-long-probably-incoherent-rantage/535704.md?page=6)