# Gay marriage opponents, listen up: I've got a secret to tell you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496 "2008-11-06T19:08:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/561 "2008-11-19T21:16:50Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Oh no! Then you agree with **magellan01** too. How disappointing. > > If you don’t care what people call it, as long as everyone has the same legal benefits, then you also fit under category 2 and also agree with **magellan01**. > > In order to remedy your “concern” regarding the two institutions being treated exactly alike, this is one comment that **magellan01** made in another thread. This one is not exactly on point as some other comment he made that I couldn’t find off-hand. But here’s one: I took a quick peek in here and saw this. Of course, being the helpful soul I am, it was incumbent upon me to, well, be helpful. I’ve posted a few versions of this over time, but this latest one from the GD thread last night is perhaps my best imitation of a lawyer (move over, Bricker): > [@](#): > > …as I’ve proposed many times before, I could see that be addressed by a law stating something to the effect: “From this point forward, all legal rights and privileges granted, or to be granted, to married couples (which shall consist of one man and one woman) and individuals shall also extend to same-sex married couples who have entered into a formal domestic partnership. Both unions shall be deemed equal under the law, with no right added or diminished to one group without being similarly added or diminished from the other.” Gotta go. Be back later. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/562 "2008-11-19T21:47:43Z")
**magellan01** , I don’t give a rat’s ass what you propose. You aren’t making the laws. We know who’s making the laws, and you don’t have jack shit to say about it. Quit trying to yank our chain. I know with whom, is my fight. You are not it. Here’s [The Mormon feedback link.](http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=3e920fd41d93b010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&hideNav=true) Oh wait. It says: > [@](#): > > As you complete the fields to the left, please note that responses will not be given to issues that are not related to the site, such as explaining Church doctrines or policies or contacting Church leaders or members. So I guess they don’t give a shit about your input. You’re a gullible tool to them. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/563 "2008-11-19T22:17:54Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > **magellan01** , I don’t give a rat’s ass what you propose. You aren’t making the laws. We know who’s making the laws, and you don’t have jack shit to say about it. Quit trying to yank our chain. I know with whom, is my fight. You are not it. Then stop fighting with me, shit for brains. It’s really that simple. But I do commend you on, amazingly, coming to the correct conclusion that I am not making the laws. What tipped you off, Sherlock? Was it possibly the fact that I’m posting on a fucking message board? Man, can’t get nuthin’ by you, that for sure. And in what way (besides in your gladiator-movie field of dreams) do you think I’m yanking your chain? I present my views on a message board, as do you. Granted I do a better job of that, as do most of the others on your own side. But that’s probably primarily the failing of your parents and/or the schools you’ve attended, so I don’t think it fair to hold that against you alone. But your assholish demeanor IS all on you. So, fuck off, douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/564 "2008-11-19T22:36:51Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > **magellan01** , I don’t give a rat’s ass what you propose. You aren’t making the laws. By voting Yes on Prop 8, isn’t he making the laws? Not singlehandedly, of course, but he is participating in the process. And while he says he’d like things to go differently, Yes on 8 is not “From this point forward, all legal rights and privileges granted…” blah blah blah whatever he claims he wishes it would be. It’s just “gays can’t get married in CA anymore.” All the nuance he claims he desires is neither present nor forthcoming. He swears he’s not a bigot, but he voted with bigots in favor of a bigoted law. Doesn’t that say it all? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/565 "2008-11-19T22:42:49Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Then stop fighting with me, shit for brains. It’s really that simple. But I do commend you on, amazingly, coming to the correct conclusion that I am not making the laws. What tipped you off, Sherlock? Was it possibly the fact that I’m posting on a fucking message board? Man, can’t get nuthin’ by you, that for sure. > > And in what way (besides in your gladiator-movie field of dreams) do you think I’m yanking your chain? I present my views on a message board, as do you. Granted I do a better job of that, as do most of the others on your own side. But that’s probably primarily the failing of your parents and/or the schools you’ve attended, so I don’t think it fair to hold that against you alone. But your assholish demeanor IS all on you. So, fuck off, douchebag. Ah, I would so miss our little chats, buggy-bear. Please don’t go away. I just want to make sure when you say “I’d give you equal rights” it means exactly shit. You’re a tool, buggy-bear, being used by the religious right to get _their_ agenda passed. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/566 "2008-11-19T23:04:06Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > By voting Yes on Prop 8, isn’t he making the laws? Not singlehandedly, of course, but he is participating in the process. And while he says he’d like things to go differently, Yes on 8 is not “From this point forward, all legal rights and privileges granted…” blah blah blah whatever he claims he wishes it would be. It’s just “gays can’t get married in CA anymore.” All the nuance he claims he desires is neither present nor forthcoming. He swears he’s not a bigot, but he voted with bigots in favor of a bigoted law. Doesn’t that say it all? Yes, he’s complicit in their agenda, but I think buggy-bear is little dim, and doesn’t realize what he’s doing. Tool. That’s what tools are for, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/567 "2008-11-19T23:39:25Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yes, he’s complicit in their agenda, but I think buggy-bear is little dim, and doesn’t realize what he’s doing. Tool. That’s what tools are for, unfortunately. I’m completely non-religious, never mind non-Mormon, yet I’m a tool for the religious right? :rolleyes: I keep thinking you couldn’t post yet more stupid shit, YET you continue to prove me wrong. Unfuckingbelievable. I just can’t tell if you’re normally this much of a shithead or if it’s only when you’re in a tizzy because you might not be able to wear that wedding dress you’ve been dreaming about since you were a little boy. either way, in language you seem to like: deal. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/568 "2008-11-19T23:43:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I just can’t tell if you’re normally this much of a shithead or if it’s only when you’re in a tizzy because you might not be able to wear that wedding dress you’ve been dreaming about since you were a little boy. You know, this sort of thing really isn’t helping your claims of non-homophobia. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/569 "2008-11-19T23:50:41Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Ah, I would so miss our little chats, buggy-bear. Please don’t go away. Oh, no, Friend. Not by a long shot. I see that I rankle you, that I get your blood pressure up, that you get into a tizzy. You are now my toy. My little marionette. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/570 "2008-11-19T23:55:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, no, Friend. Not by a long shot. I see that I rankle you, that I get your blood pressure up, that you get into a tizzy. You are now my toy. My little marionette. Did you just admit to trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/571 "2008-11-19T23:59:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m completely non-religious, never mind non-Mormon, yet I’m a tool for the religious right? :rolleyes: > > I keep thinking you couldn’t post yet more stupid shit, YET you continue to prove me wrong. Unfuckingbelievable. You really don’t get it, do you? You voted with the religious right, the people who hate gays, to take away gay people’s rights. The RR got exactly what they wanted, and gays totally lost. You claim you want gays to be equal, you aren’t homophobic, etc., but you did NOT vote that way. You sided with bigots against gays wanting equal rights. Thus, you have been the tool of the RR in this matter, because you’ve gone against some of your values to enable them to enact theirs. I don’t know how you can feel good about that. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/572 "2008-11-20T00:11:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You know, this sort of thing really isn’t helping your claims of non-homophobia. Oh, give me a break. If this was about hunting I’d dress him in some overly stereotypical plaid hunting outfit with an Elmer J. Fudd hat. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/573 "2008-11-20T00:13:33Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Did you just admit to trolling? Nice try. But I can inform and rankle at the same time. Man, you guys are really threatened by me. I find it quite funny. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/574 "2008-11-20T00:18:20Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > You really don’t get it, do you? You voted with the religious right, the people who hate gays, to take away gay people’s rights. The RR got exactly what they wanted, and gays totally lost. You claim you want gays to be equal, you aren’t homophobic, etc., but you did NOT vote that way. You sided with bigots against gays wanting equal rights. Thus, you have been the tool of the RR in this matter, because you’ve gone against some of your values to enable them to enact theirs. I don’t know how you can feel good about that. No, YOU don’t get it. I vote my conscience for MY OWN reasons. That much should be clear after 20+ pages in two threads, in which I’ve explained them. Did you vote for Obama? Well, I hear the some Nation of Islam radicals voted for him because they see it as a valuable step in getting a Muslim president and installing Sharia Law. And you are on THEIR side!?!?!?!?:eek: ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/575 "2008-11-20T00:26:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Well, I hear the some Nation of Islam radicals voted for him because they see it as a valuable step in getting a Muslim president and installing Sharia Law. And you are on THEIR side!?!?!?!?:eek: If you voted for Obama because those guys convinced you Obama is going to Protect Marriage and you believed them, then you are their tool, because you totally missed their real agenda. Unless you do know their agenda, and secretly agree with it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/576 "2008-11-20T00:47:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, give me a break. If this was about hunting I’d dress him in some overly stereotypical plaid hunting outfit with an Elmer J. Fudd hat. Yes, and that’s exactly what was wrong with that post. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/577 "2008-11-20T01:15:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m completely non-religious, never mind non-Mormon, yet I’m a tool for the religious right? You’re certainly some kind of tool. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/578 "2008-11-20T02:11:22Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > If you voted for Obama because those guys convinced you Obama is going to Protect Marriage and you believed them, then you are their tool, because you totally missed their real agenda. > > Unless you do know their agenda, and secretly agree with it. Yep, you continue to deliver with the stupid. First, I didn’t vote for Obama. Second, I didn’t believe their claims that Obama is going to protect marriage. Third, I don’t practice ANY religion, so I am not aligned with any religious agenda. So, you can insist that I have all these motivations that you want me to have. And you’ll continue to be wrong each and every time. But it will be even dumber each time you post such nonsense, as it will have been explained to you one more time that you are not only wrong, but spectacularly wrong. You’re like a kid swinging at an imaginary pinata and every time you hit yourself in the face you think, “Ah, contact, there it is.” And you then swing with more gusto hitting yourself in the face again, and again. And again think “Ah, contact. I’ll REALLY hit it hard this time.” And WHOP, you bloody you’re own nose. Again. I feel bad. I feel like I should be at least be throwing quarters into a hat or something. But what the hay, you’ll surely get it on the next swing, Buster. Now really wind up this time… ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/579 "2008-11-20T02:22:52Z")
I feel bad arguing with you, because the more you explain yourself the more I feel like I’m kicking a retarded puppy. Smart up, dude. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496/580 "2008-11-20T02:28:04Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I feel bad arguing with you, because the more you explain yourself the more I feel like I’m kicking a retarded puppy. > > Smart up, dude. If those are kicks, you kick like an ninety-year-old cripple. Fuck off, lame one. Slapping you like the little bitch you are is growing tiresome. Really, if you can’t do better with the personal attacks—or stick to actual debate—I will have to ignore you. Yawn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-opponents-listen-up-ive-got-a-secret-to-tell-you/471496.md?page=30)