# Gay marriage proponents as dangerous to America as terrorists? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 3, 2004, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209 "2004-03-03T01:19:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/1 "2004-03-03T01:19:05Z")
I already mentioned it in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4601400&postcount=99), but I just had to give this its own thread. I hate to jump to conclusions about what certain articles do or do not assert, but I’ve read [this article,](http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/printdp20040302.shtml) struggling to find an interpretation that doesn’t assert what I say in the topic, but I’m failing. Especially when it starts off with: > [@](#): > > America is engaged in two wars for the survival of its civilization. The war over same-sex marriage and the war against Islamic totalitarianism are actually two fronts in the same war – a war for the preservation of the unique American creation known as Judeo-Christian civilization. I mean, the rest of it is as completely ridiculous, and, to be fair, [not all conservatives think this article is a shining beacon of truth](http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_02_29_corner-archive.asp#026187), but it seems that [many](http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_02_29_corner-archive.asp#026188) [do](http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_02_29_corner-archive.asp#026195). (I especially love the person who basically says, “I don’t think gays MEAN to destroy America, but they are. Soon it’ll be illegal to disagree with them.”) In fact, Goldberg says that his e-mail is running 5-to-1 in favor of the original article. How the hell can ANYONE defend such an idea? Is this really what half the country thinks? Maybe this comes from the persistent idea that [homosexuality is a complete and conscious choice](http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_02_29_corner-archive.asp#026236) (highlighting the question, “if gay marriage is taught in schools as a morally neutral choice, why wouldn’t more kids choose it?”). My God. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/2 "2004-03-03T01:36:48Z")
“Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.” --Aristotle, I think. (No longer “It’s taking longer than we thought”) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/3 "2004-03-03T01:45:26Z")
I agree with the sentiments linked to in the OP. It’s only a matter of time before someone tries to pilot a gay marriage into a skyscraper. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/4 "2004-03-03T01:46:57Z")
In my opinion, gay marriage opponents are as dangerous to American and the segregationists were. Fortunately, the segregationists were defeated. These guys will be too. It may take longer than we would like but they will be. Every day the homophobes find a new way to piss me off. Today I’m pissed off that because of them I had to vote for a fucking Democrat\*. All of my Democratic friends are giving me this “welcome home” shit. I ain’t home. I’m just here until the Pubbies let this one go. Haj \*As a Non-partisan in CA, I can choose to vote Demo, GOP or AIP in the primary. ---
**Author:** ![whatami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/85f322/32.png) [@whatami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whatami)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/5 "2004-03-03T01:57:46Z")
In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4602249#post4602249) thread I announced the news that a county in Oregon will begin to issue marriage licences to gays beginning tommorow. Really, I don’t see how the bigots who wish to stop this have much of a chance. I think it’ll just keep going farther and farther untill it HAS to be recognized by everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/6 "2004-03-03T02:13:09Z")
If we ban terrorism, then the homosexuals have won. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/7 "2004-03-03T02:19:14Z")
How the fuck is Judeo-Christian civilization a ‘unique American creation’? Did Edison get the patent or something? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/8 "2004-03-03T02:21:42Z")
It’s be almost funny if these folks weren’t trying to encode their idiocy into law. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/9 "2004-03-03T02:22:44Z")
You do realize [townhall.com](http://townhall.com) is nothing but a soapbox for the ultra right don’t you. Hell…any site that regularly carries Ann Coulter…well…nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/10 "2004-03-03T02:24:48Z")
I feel this provides a nice counterpoint to another current Pit thread: [SSM opponents threaten SF mayor’s life](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=242816) ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/11 "2004-03-03T02:34:48Z")
I have a confession to make. I used to think that homophobe was a lazy insult thrown around without good justification. But fuck all if this controversy hasn’t brought almost every single conservative in out of the rain. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve recently heard things start with the always bad news “Now, I’ve got nothing against homosexuals…” and quickly turn into a rant about how homosexuals are vile, self-corrupting, self-indulgent, the mere existence and acknowledgement of “sending bad messages” to children, on and on. Fuck all. I tried, I really tried, to give the modern right wing the benefit of the doubt. But aside from a view outsiders, its fucking bigots crawling out of the woodwork. And it can’t just be dismissed as a powerful but tiny faction. For instance, it’s every single goddamn right wing radio host I can find. These people are incredibly popular. You can’t tell me that their homophobic views don’t represent a substantial portion of those on the right, or else large portions of their audiences would like, maybe, complain or disagree with them. And the thing is, I AGREE with them on many of the issues of rule of law. But unlike them, I’m not so easily revealed as using that issue as a ruse to get a chance to bash homosexuals under cover of a legitimate complain. Fuck all. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/12 "2004-03-03T03:29:24Z")
How the hell is Judeo-Christian civilization an American invention??? And if people really think I’m so dangerous because I support gay marriage, then I’ll take that as a compliment. And since I’d rather go to their hell than their heaven any day, they really have no ammunition to use against me that’s going to scare me. Bwahahahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/13 "2004-03-03T04:50:43Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > All of my Democratic friends are giving me this “welcome home” shit. I ain’t home. I’m just here until the Pubbies let this one go. **hajario** , newly-minted Democratic voter for life. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/14 "2004-03-03T04:53:00Z")
I just heard on CNN that Tom DeLay’s office received an envelope stuffed with gay marriage in the mail today, and they had to quarantine the entire building. When will the madness end?! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/15 "2004-03-03T05:01:33Z")
Wouldn’t it be fun if, in Osama’s next video, he turned around at the end of his “death to America” rant and tongue-kissed the flunky behind him? Er, I mean “fun” in the sense of “completely fucked up beyond all recognition,” just in case that wasn’t clear. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/16 "2004-03-03T05:05:08Z")
Huh. I never knew Constantine was an American. I always thought he was a Roman Emporer. Learn something new every day on this board. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/17 "2004-03-03T05:29:35Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > **hajario** , newly-minted Democratic voter for life. Oh sure. Join the fucking bandwagon. Do you have any idea how much this is going to cost me in increased taxes? I’m going to be in a shitty mood for like the next five years because of this and you’re not helping. God damned doing the right thing just killed any chance I had of retiring early. I hope you’re pleased with yourself. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/18 "2004-03-03T05:50:02Z")
Less _Will and Grace_ and more ‘reading comprehension’ is my prescription for you. Islamic terrorism can hurt us, certainly, but it is hard to envision a scenario where they can destroy our society. Gay marriage, on the other hand, will fundamentally change the fabric of our society, and not for the better, as [most people seem to agree.](http://www.gallup.com/poll/focus/sr040127.asp) Even if you don’t agree with the principlel, it isn’t hard to see the logic behind the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/19 "2004-03-03T06:05:18Z")
Oh come on Haj, it’s not Otto’s fault Bush and the religious right are bunch of half-witted bigots. 🙂 **Brutus** would you mind explaining how gay marriage will so fundamentally change the fabric of American society that it will destroy it? I’m just not seeing it. Your link explains nothing and neither do you, not that that’s ever stopped you before. It seems to me that the only thing threatening American society out of all this, is the group of righty-Christo-fundies who are sending death threats to the mayor of San Francisco. Seems like the danger lies entirely on your side. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209/20 "2004-03-03T06:07:57Z")
What, in the name of a bleeding babboon, is the “fabric of society”? Is it something so fragile, so utterly gossamer, that two grown men arguing about what color of drapes for the living room is going to destroy it? How is it that the “fabric of society” can thrive with blind and pointless bigotry, but a little bit of shrug-yer-shoulders, live-and-let-live is going to bring it all tumbling down? “Fabric of society”, my ass, **Brutus**. You’ve said some dumb shit before, but now you’re really swinging for the fences. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-marriage-proponents-as-dangerous-to-america-as-terrorists/232209.md?page=2)