# Gay people caused AIDS! (AKA kfl takes the bait) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427 "2003-09-13T19:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/1 "2003-09-13T19:39:34Z")
[Gay sex causes AIDS!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3979343) No, you fucking idiot. HIV causes AIDS. How did HIV get into the population? Well, there are several theories, but the most accepted one is that it came from monkeys. [Cite](http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,59227,00.html) [Here is some more, you ignoramus](http://www.stedwards.edu/science/quinn/AIDS/origins.htm). Guess what, **Laurie** , HIV originated in Africa, where gays are [persecuted and reviled](http://www.ilga.org/Information/Legal_survey/africa/supporting%20files/gays_are_main_evil.htm). The origin of AIDS has **nothing** to do with gay Western culture. Get a fucking clue. Asshat. The only reason why HIV/AIDS was more prevalent among the gay community was because at the time when it was running unchecked and undiagnosed in the West, gay men were a group that were engaging in behaviours that were conducive to its spread. And not even ALL gay men, or even MOST gay men! I so angry right now. I can’t even be coherent. **I HATE IGNORANCE!!! AUUUUUGHHHHH!!!** :mad: :mad: :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/2 "2003-09-13T19:45:26Z")
Besides, it was the CIA/KKK/Neo-Nazis that created AIDS. Where the hell have you been? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/3 "2003-09-13T19:52:20Z")
Wait, wait… it was either gay men or bisexual women? I’m so confuuuused. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/4 "2003-09-13T20:02:30Z")
I think **Laurie** was being facetious in the post that began all this. Trying to say; “Oh suuuuuuuuuure gay people don’t cause/spread/deserve to get AIDS. It’s _straight people_ who were dropping like flies in the 80’s then.” That’s what I got, especially from the last few lines. In context, the post was also probably in defense of the psycho hosebeast who was shrilling against _Queer Eye_. ---
**Author:** ![7\_up\_yours](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/919ad9/32.png) [@7\_up\_yours](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/7_up_yours)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/5 "2003-09-13T20:04:22Z")
So she was being sarcastic? 😕 I didn’t see a :rolleyes: in there or anything. Sarcasm is so hard to pick out when it’s just typed. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/6 "2003-09-13T20:06:53Z")
Well s/he **is** a newbie. ---
**Author:** ![Laurie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@Laurie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laurie)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/7 "2003-09-13T20:10:14Z")
You HATE ignorance? Really. Then you can tell us all how it got from monkeys to humans. You can tell us all how it got from the heterosexual community in Africa to the homosexual community in America. You **must** know the answers to these things because you **“HATE IGNORANCE,”** and therefore have the answers to these questions. **Asshat** , you say? Who the hell cares. Can you tell us what percentage of the spread of AIDS came from the homosexual community in this country vs. the heterosexual community? Didn’t think so. Can you tell us what the **COST** of AIDS has been to the American taxpayer? Didn’t think so. Name calling and finger-pointing and appealing to political correctness doesn’t give you substance, kfl. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/8 "2003-09-13T20:12:30Z")
Yeah, damn those gay guys for doing stuff that they had no idea would kill them. Those bastards cost us lots of money for the priviledge of dying. Selfish, much? ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/9 "2003-09-13T20:15:01Z")
Can you answer your own questions, **Laurie**? ---
**Author:** ![7\_up\_yours](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/919ad9/32.png) [@7\_up\_yours](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/7_up_yours)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/10 "2003-09-13T20:27:11Z")
It’s all clear now. I personally don’t like feeding them. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/11 "2003-09-13T20:33:25Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Laurie \* \*\*Then you can tell us all how it got from monkeys to humans. \*\* [quote] It says so in the article I posted. Probably from butchering monkeys for meat. Or did you even read what I posted to back up my assertions (which I have yet to see you do)? > [@](#): > > \*\*Name calling and finger-pointing and appealing to political correctness doesn’t give you substance, kfl. \*\* Nope, but my credible cites do. Let’s see some from you. As for “how did it get from hets to homos”, what does it matter. It’s spread from HUMANS to HUMANS. No one claims that smallpox or leprosy “knows” whether someone is gay or straight. Why should that apply to HIV? As for the “cost to the taxpayer”, I wouldn’t know, not being an economist. Also, last time I checked you poor Americans had to pay for your own goddamn health care, and if you go bankrupt doing it, too effing bad, so I would guess that funding for treatment isn’t exactly taking textbooks out of classrooms. Who is cold enough to put a price on alleviating human misery anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/12 "2003-09-13T20:33:25Z")
Are you sure, **kung fu lola** , that gays didn’t cause AIDS? I mean, I’ve got a picture right here that clearly shows _you_ on the grassy knoll with a sniper rifle, as well as satelite photography showing you in the cockpit of TWA 800. And documented evidence that Elton John was an advisor to Hitler during the war. I mean really, you can only dodge responsibility for so long, you know. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/13 "2003-09-13T20:41:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Then you can tell us all how it got from monkeys to humans. I’m confused by what this has to do with anything. Are you implying that homosexuals are also fuck monkeys?! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/14 "2003-09-13T20:53:12Z")
No no, **pepperlandgirl** , see, monkeys were doing crazy experements on gays in the mid 70s, and actually infected gays with HIV during those trying times for the gay community. After being liberated from simian servitude in the deepest darkest jungles of Africa, the ‘lab gays’ came to America, spreading their tainted bodily fluids to the rest of the gay community. At that point, it was only a matter of time before some innocent straight woman was forced into having sex with an infected gay, and the disaster began in earnest, as now it wasn’t just affecting gays, but people as well. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/15 "2003-09-13T21:06:07Z")
:: disapproving mother look on:: \*all right! who forgot to lock the door to the forum last night? hmmmm? \* ---
**Author:** ![Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muldoon_s_Squishiness)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/16 "2003-09-13T21:18:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kung fu lola \* > \*\*As for “how did it get from hets to homos”, what does it matter. It’s spread from HUMANS to HUMANS. \*\* Actually, that does matter quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/17 "2003-09-13T21:24:53Z")
Um, why, **M. Squishy**? Assuming it somehow went from a ‘gay only’ disease to a universal one, what does that matter, beyond perhaps understanding another manner of transmission (blood transfusion, for example)? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/18 "2003-09-13T21:35:51Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by kung fu lola_ > > **Well s/he is a newbie.** Ah yes, but aren’t we all just grateful that _right off the bat_, we know which button to use? For that, I appreciate the newbie’s who speak their mind immediately. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/19 "2003-09-13T21:51:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eonwe \* > I mean, I’ve got a picture right here that clearly shows _you_ on the grassy knoll with a sniper rifle, as well as satelite photography showing you in the cockpit of TWA 800. And documented evidence that Elton John was an advisor to Hitler during the war. > > I mean really, you can only dodge responsibility for so long, you know. What he said. Or she, if you’re a girl. The single virus theory only works so long before you assume culpability. Admit it. You shot the deputy, **kung fu lola**. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427/20 "2003-09-13T22:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, that does matter quite a bit. Well, if it’s all that important consider this: The index case(s) may very well have been _heterosexual_. Or bisexual. Or gay in a marriage-of-convenience. Or maybe they were a blood donor? Or maybe they were in a particularly messy accident, and bled all over someone? Or… There are many ways HIV could have been spread into the population from the index case(s). What would be much more interesting to _me_ is the epidemiology describing how HIV wound up concentrated in the gay community. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-people-caused-aids-aka-kfl-takes-the-bait/201427.md?page=2)