# Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 26, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875 "2017-06-26T02:07:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/1 "2017-06-26T02:07:11Z")
Anti-semites. > **[Jewish Flags Banned From Chicago Gay Pride March](https://www.newsweek.com/gay-pride-marchers-jewish-flags-told-leave-chicago-parade-628879?amp=1)** > > Several people were ejected from the march after bringing Jewish Pride flags with them. Jewish people celebrating LGBT Pride in Chicago were told not to display Star of David flags because other people found them ‘offensive.’ The Jewish Star of David flag was banned from the city’s annual Dyke March celebrations, and several people carrying the flag were removed form the march because their presence “made people feel unsafe,” LGBT paper Windy City Times reported. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/2 "2017-06-26T02:30:48Z")
The flag in question was a rainbow flag with a Star of David superimposed, which is the flag used by a particular group that was apparently unwelcome. Interestingly though, simple American flags were similarly unwelcome, though apparently weren’t an issue. Here’s an excerpt that includes a statement from the event organizers followed by a statement from the group that was expelled: > [@](#): > > In their statement, Dyke March Collective organizers singled out Grauer’s organization A Wider Bridge for what they called “provocative actions at other LGBTQ events [and] for using Israel’s supposed ‘LGBTQ tolerance’ to pinkwash the violent occupation of Palestine.” > > Social media posts in support of the Dyke March Collective also claimed that a rainbow flag with a Star of David is a form of pink washing (a belief that Israeli support of LGBTQ communities is designed to detract attention from civil and human rights abuses of Palestinian people). > > Supporters added that American flags were similarly not welcome as they too are considered signs of oppression. However, flags from other nations were present. > > In a June 25 press release concerning the incident, A Wider Bridge asserted that “The Dyke March has failed to live up to their goal of ‘bridging together communities.’ That the organizers would choose to dismiss long-time community members for choosing to express their Jewish identity or spirituality runs counter to the very values the Dyke March claims to uphold, and veers down a dangerous path toward anti-semitism.” > > The organization called on the Dyke March Collective “to issue a full public apology for dismissing LGBTQ Jews from the March, and affirm the Dyke March hold to their own values as a safe place for all LGBTQ people, including the Jewish Community.” [http://gopride.com/Zdds](http://gopride.com/Zdds) ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/3 "2017-06-26T02:34:11Z")
You know who would have loved this. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/4 "2017-06-26T02:55:18Z")
No problem with that at all. The march is about LGBT+ stuff. You shouldn’t be shoehorning other causes into it. It’s not appropriate to make it all about you. A pride parade is about “pride,” celebrating the LGBT community. Imagine you had a Christmas parade. And there was this group of vegans who wanted to talk about how eating turkey was murder. Would you freak out if they weren’t allowed to march in the parade, just because Christmas is about togetherness? These guys sealed the deal for me when they tried to misuse the ideals of the parade against them. It’s just more of pretending that tolerance means letting anyone do whatever they want. That’s not what it means. Nothing about coming together means letting some group use your parade as a protesting site. I tire so much of the Right trying to attack the Left for hypocrisy. Defend your own beliefs, and show why people should prefer them to the beliefs of the Left. All you are doing is making the Left ideals look good, even if they don’t always measure up to them. If the choice is between wrong ideas and good ideas that no one lives up to, the good ideas still win. Hell, that’s what Christianity is, too. None of us live up to the Christian ideal. All have fallen short of the glory of God. There’s a reason I say that Christianity is inherently liberal. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/5 "2017-06-26T03:18:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No problem with that at all. The march is about LGBT+ stuff. You shouldn’t be shoehorning other causes into it. … Funny then that > [@](#): > > The organizers of the march told the Times the event was a pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist I guess being “pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist” part of “+ stuff” … OTOH the Jewish marchers were not making any political statements at all. No, there is no defending this. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/6 "2017-06-26T03:24:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No problem with that at all. The march is about LGBT+ stuff. You shouldn’t be shoehorning other causes into it. It’s not appropriate to make it all about you. A pride parade is about “pride,” celebrating the LGBT community. You totally missed the point. This was not an unrelated group, it was a Jewish LGBT group who were there to march as part of the larger community. Do you find it unlikely that other groups were marching as well? Do you object as strongly to the gentleman pictured [here?](http://dioceseofnewark.org/sites/default/files/images/IMGP8526-web.jpg) Or the people [here?](https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/muslim-support-gay-rights-columbus-gay-pride-parade-muslims-show-31861707.jpg) Your argument would be more convincing if gay pride parades didn’t tend to include marchers supporting a vast array of generally left wing[causes](https://www.greenleft.org.au/sites/default/files/public_files/queers_against_israeli_apartheid.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/7 "2017-06-26T03:38:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No problem with that at all. The march is about LGBT+ stuff. You shouldn’t be shoehorning other causes into it. It’s not appropriate to make it all about you. A pride parade is about “pride,” celebrating the LGBT community. > > Imagine you had a Christmas parade. And there was this group of vegans who wanted to talk about how eating turkey was murder. Would you freak out if they weren’t allowed to march in the parade, just because Christmas is about togetherness? > > These guys sealed the deal for me when they tried to misuse the ideals of the parade against them. It’s just more of pretending that tolerance means letting anyone do whatever they want. That’s not what it means. Nothing about coming together means letting some group use your parade as a protesting site. > > I tire so much of the Right trying to attack the Left for hypocrisy. Defend your own beliefs, and show why people should prefer them to the beliefs of the Left. All you are doing is making the Left ideals look good, even if they don’t always measure up to them. > > If the choice is between wrong ideas and good ideas that no one lives up to, the good ideas still win. Hell, that’s what Christianity is, too. None of us live up to the Christian ideal. All have fallen short of the glory of God. > > There’s a reason I say that Christianity is inherently liberal. You are the worst. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/8 "2017-06-26T03:39:40Z")
BTW I would not consider a few organizers of a small march that is a small part of a larger Gay Pride event to at all representative of “The Left” … These particular individuals are anti-Semitic shitbags. They happen to be Leftist dykes but that is immaterial to the hate and intolerance they have exhibited. IF this was women in hijabs carrying a flag with a star and crescent, even with a poster that said Palestinian Dykes for Gay Rights, and they were kicked out because Muslims “triggered” some other marchers into feeling “unsafe” the organizers would also be rightfully brought to task. They have “a goal to bridge together communities across race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, age, size, gender identity, gender expression, sexuality, culture, immigrant status, spirituality, and ability.” Unless your spiritual expression is Jewish. Then you outta here. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/9 "2017-06-26T03:47:39Z")
Unfortunately, these LGBT Jews had not learned their rightful place in the official hierarchy of oppression. “LGBT oppressed” only counts +2 points; “collectively responsible Jewish oppressor of Palestinians” counts -6 points. And if you disagree with that, you are making > [@](#): > > “people feel unsafe” and must fuck off from our parade. > **[Chicago Dyke March faces controversy as it bans Jewish flags](https://www.thepinknews.com/2017/06/25/chicago-pride-faces-controversy-as-it-bans-jewish-flags/)** > > Chicago Pride has faced controversy after it banned people from carrying Jewish Star of David flags at the event. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/10 "2017-06-26T03:51:38Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Unfortunately, these LGBT Jews had not learned their rightful place in the official hierarchy of oppression. “LGBT oppressed” only counts +2 points; “collectively responsible Jewish oppressor of Palestinians” counts -6 points. And if you disagree with that, you are making > > and must fuck off from our parade. > > [Chicago Dyke March faces controversy as it bans Jewish flags | PinkNews](http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/25/chicago-pride-faces-controversy-as-it-bans-jewish-flags/) It saddens me how true this feels. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/11 "2017-06-26T03:59:11Z")
The irony is palpable. > **[LGBT rights in the State of Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories)** > > Homosexuality in the Palestinian territories is considered a taboo subject; lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people experience persecution and violence. There is a significant legal divide between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, with the former having more progressive laws and the latter having more conservative laws. Shortly after the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank in 1950, same-sex acts were decriminalized across the territory with the adoption of the Jordanian Penal... > [@](#): > > …Gay Palestinians frequently seek refuge in Israel fearing for their lives, especially fearing death from members of their own families… ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/12 "2017-06-26T04:24:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > BTW I would not consider a few organizers of a small march that is a small part of a larger Gay Pride event to at all representative of “The Left” … > > These particular individuals are anti-Semitic shitbags. They happen to be Leftist dykes but that is immaterial to the hate and intolerance they have exhibited. > > IF this was women in hijabs carrying a flag with a star and crescent, even with a poster that said Palestinian Dykes for Gay Rights, and they were kicked out because Muslims “triggered” some other marchers into feeling “unsafe” the organizers would also be rightfully brought to task. > > They have “a goal to bridge together communities across race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, age, size, gender identity, gender expression, sexuality, culture, immigrant status, spirituality, and ability.” Unless your spiritual expression is Jewish. Then you outta here. +1. There really is nothing to defend in the actions of this group here that I can see. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/13 "2017-06-26T04:38:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No problem with that at all. The march is about LGBT+ stuff. You shouldn’t be shoehorning other causes into it. It’s not appropriate to make it all about you. A pride parade is about “pride,” celebrating the LGBT community. > > Imagine you had a Christmas parade. And there was this group of vegans who wanted to talk about how eating turkey was murder. Would you freak out if they weren’t allowed to march in the parade, just because Christmas is about togetherness? > > These guys sealed the deal for me when they tried to misuse the ideals of the parade against them. It’s just more of pretending that tolerance means letting anyone do whatever they want. That’s not what it means. Nothing about coming together means letting some group use your parade as a protesting site. > > I tire so much of the Right trying to attack the Left for hypocrisy. Defend your own beliefs, and show why people should prefer them to the beliefs of the Left. All you are doing is making the Left ideals look good, even if they don’t always measure up to them. > > If the choice is between wrong ideas and good ideas that no one lives up to, the good ideas still win. Hell, that’s what Christianity is, too. None of us live up to the Christian ideal. All have fallen short of the glory of God. > > There’s a reason I say that Christianity is inherently liberal. Two things you missed: This was not the main Gay Pride parade that happened today. This was a smaller parade that occurred yesterday, 6.24.17 organized by the Chicago Dyke Collective. On their Facebook page they say this march is > [@](#): > > to create visibility, to honor our histories and identities, to disrupt oppression and dominance, and to challenge silence and fear, because we are everywhere, because we must survive. Apparently they feel people who are LGBTQ+ but happen to be Jews should either keep their mouths shut about being Jewish OR be oppressed and silenced and have their identities and histories dishonored. Secondly, the people tossed from the parade had a rainbow flag with the Star of David on it. The Collective makes the claim that this symbol represents Zionism and the oppression of Palestinians. This ignores the long history of this emblem being used by Jewish people to honor their heritage in much the same way the cross is used by Christians. The Collective appears to have no issue with rainbow flags with a cross or Ichthys (fish) symbol on it, just with people displaying rainbow flags with a Star of David. This behavior is anti-Semitic and offensive to me and I happen to be a left leaning 50something gay man who was raised Christian. Gay Pride is about celebration and should be a day of inclusion. These people decided what the intentions of the Jewish LGBTQ+ were and created this mess by making assumptions about what they believed. Left wing thought police are just as vile and odious as right wing thought police. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/14 "2017-06-26T05:48:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > No, there is no defending this. I agree. I feel the same way about Oxfam when they do this. The issue should be _“Do you support the cause that we’re here for?”_ which in this case is gay rights. As long as people support that cause, there shouldn’t be a litmus test over support for other causes. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/15 "2017-06-26T10:24:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Imagine you had a Christmas parade. And there was this group of vegans who wanted to talk about how eating turkey was murder. Would you freak out if they weren’t allowed to march in the parade, just because Christmas is about togetherness? Well, no, but vegans are a pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/16 "2017-06-26T12:17:14Z")
The organization that banned displaying the Star of David was wrong and shouldn’t be defended. **BigT** , you’re wrong here. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/17 "2017-06-26T12:30:19Z")
No insults in this forum, please. Feel free to use the Pit. > [@friedo](#): > > You are the worst. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/18 "2017-06-26T12:33:54Z")
As a Jew and a mother of two kids who are part of the LGBTQ community, this is outrageous and utterly unacceptable. It’s also not a surprise for any liberal Jew. Reimann nailed it. Not just for this event. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/19 "2017-06-26T14:06:19Z")
This is why we can’t have nice things. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875/20 "2017-06-26T14:22:26Z")
I was listening to NPR the other day and they were interviewing a gay person who had written a book about growing up gay. Prior, they issued a “trigger warning” that some of the language describing events in the book that had happened to the author might be disturbing to some listeners. I was assuming there was a rape scene or something, but the warning was because they quoted someone who had called the author a “faggot” and that kids had spat on him at school. Now, that is not to minimize such actions, nor to equate them with the stuff in the OP, but a trigger warning? Really?? I’m trying to imagine how they would have introduced an interview with Eli Wiesel to talk about _Night_. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gay-pride-marchers-with-jewish-flags-told-to-leave-chicago-parade/789875.md?page=2)