# Gayest Scene in a Non-Gay Film **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 20, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109 "2011-06-20T03:14:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ripopgome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a698b9/32.png) [@ripopgome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ripopgome)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/61 "2011-06-21T10:10:53Z")
Basically any scene in any of the Jackass movies. Although again, I’m not sure we can call those “non-gay films”, without offending gays. And films. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/62 "2011-06-21T10:20:33Z")
Not seen it, but I have read on more than one occasion that “Con Air” is one of the most unintentionally homoerotic films one can see. ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/63 "2011-06-21T17:24:21Z")
> [@ripopgome](#): > > Basically any scene in any of the Jackass movies. Although again, I’m not sure we can call those “non-gay films”, without offending gays. And films. In at least one scene in the original Jackass, you can hear Steve-O (I think) call Knoxville “Daddy” while Knoxville shocks the heck out of him. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/64 "2011-06-21T18:53:17Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > But all I can say after seeing that clip of Hans Conried doing Do-Me-Doe Duds is YIKES! What was Teddy Geisel thinking? You know, it has only just now occurred to me that Hans Conried in _The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T_ is the inspiration for Sideshow Bob of _The Simpsons_! Both characters’ last name is Terwilliger. They both have interesting hair. Their speaking styles are similar, and their nemesises are both little boys named Bart! Ay caramba! ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/65 "2011-06-21T21:37:24Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Oh give me a break - at :45 seconds - “I want my undulating undies with the marabou frills…” > . My post wasn’t queer, eh…clear to you. I was saying that the scene cited in the original post didn’t strike me as gay, whereas “Do-Me-Doe Duds” _does_. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/66 "2011-06-21T22:46:46Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Not seen it, but I have read on more than one occasion that “Con Air” is one of the most unintentionally homoerotic films one can see. 😕 It’s packed with tough guys from a prison; but if there is any UST even hinted at between any two characters of any respective sexes, I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Lottie\_D\_Urberville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a5b964/32.png) [@Lottie\_D\_Urberville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lottie_D_Urberville)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/67 "2011-06-21T23:26:34Z")
While not nearly as gay as some of these other films, Kurt Russell and Billy Bob Thornton’s showdown in Tombstone always struck me as one of the gayer arguments one could have. “Skin that smokewagon and see what happens” in particular makes my inner 7-year old giggle in delight. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/68 "2011-06-22T00:21:40Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > Frodo and Sam in the Lord of the Rings movies, but would of been worse if they added the Crickhollow bath scene from the book This looks like a good place to link to [the Very Secret Diaries of Gandalf and Company.](http://www.ealasaid.com/misc/vsd/gandalf.html) 😃 > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The answer is “300” > The question is “On a scale of one to ten, how gay was that movie?” > [@astorian](#): > > I think Kelly McGillis was the only person in that movie who liked girls. You guys are really nailing the one-liners in this thread! > [@astro](#): > > How dare you! [This is wholesome living!](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Batbed.png) > > [Pure and uncorrupted!](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=10367,filename=gaybatman1.jpg) Hoo boy. I have a vague recollection of reading or seeing an interview with Stan Lee or someone like that who basically said that they absolutely lived in “Plausible Deniability” when they were writing comics - if something seems dirty, it was probably meant that way. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/69 "2011-06-22T00:56:41Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > You guys are really nailing the one-liners in this thread! I can’t claim original credit for the 300 joke I posted. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/70 "2011-06-22T01:04:46Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Hoo boy. I have a vague recollection of reading or seeing an interview with Stan Lee or someone like that who basically said that they absolutely lived in “Plausible Deniability” when they were writing comics - if something seems dirty, it was probably meant that way. Except WRT [Wonder Woman,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston#Themes) where they don’t even seem to have made the deniability **effort.** I think the only reason William Moulton Marston got away with it is that not enough Americans in the 1940s had even **heard** of what was in play here. ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/71 "2011-06-22T03:24:49Z")
Are you claiming there’s some subtext in Wonder Woman? I’m sorry, if you insist on seeing something in a perfectly innocent, strapless-halter-and-boots-wearing woman explaining to her defeated foes that they need to understand the joy of ‘submitting to a loving authority,’ and losing her powers when she’s tied up (a lot), that really says more about you than her. Not that a lot of the subtext in comics is intentional (and Chris Clarmont gave William Moulton Maston a run for his money in the ‘hide it in plain sight’ area) there’s enough of a history of people imagining all kinds of crazy implications that you can’t always assume they meant it. – If I was looking for a personal hero, I could do far worse than William Moulton Marston. Scientist\*, professor, comic book writer, amazing wife, (presumably amazing) submissive girlfriend, the enormous balls required to write blatant bondage-themed comics in the 40s . . . well done, my friend. Well done. \*Psychology is sort of a science. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/72 "2011-06-22T03:32:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Except WRT [Wonder Woman,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston#Themes) where they don’t even seem to have made the deniability **effort.** I think the only reason William Moulton Marston got away with it is that not enough Americans in the 1940s had even **heard** of what was in play here. I’m not familiar with that. Could you provide some examples? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/73 "2011-06-22T04:15:51Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > I’m not familiar with that. Could you provide some examples? Marston was a bondage freak. In the early WW, **somebody** gets tied up or somehow restrained every ish. Often WW herself. I recall one story I saw in reprint. where WW and several of her companions did a public demonstration of medieval bondage gear at a museum, some sort of fundraiser. Yes, there’s a crime-plot, there’s a woman administrator who is insanely jealous of women who make her feel inferior; when WW volunteers for a Houdinesque escape-demo, her eyes and mouth are covered with a leather hood called a “brank” and then WW has her hands shackled behind her back and is immersed in a glass tank of water – all according to plan, but the murderess has secretly wrapped WW’s unbreakable golden lasso around her chains. To get out she has to **chew through** the brank and use her teeth to untie the lasso. In another, the god Mars, who lives on the planet Mars, is manipulating WWII for his own ends. (I’m not clear what they were – maybe just to keep it going.) Mars says to one of his retinue, “You’re a woman! Who do women like better, Germans or Italians?” She answers, “Oh, Italians, sir! Girls love dark men with titles!” Mars whispers in Mussolini’s ear and gets him to send “Your handsomest nobleman and your strongest brute!” to America to trap WW. The strongman challenges her to a contest, but that’s just to allow Count Crafti (impersonating a Spanish Don) to charm his way close enough to snap handcuffs on her. Surprisingly, this actually works. WW thinks, in horror: “When an Amazon allows a **man** to put on her dominance bracelets, Aphrodite takes away her powers!” She has only a natural woman’s strength now. Later, when one of her girl-crew (captured with her) asks her why she doesn’t break the manacles, WW says, “I’m being . . . er . . . punished for stupidity.” Forget how she gets out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/74 "2011-06-22T04:22:12Z")
[Knock yourself out.](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51) [A few](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=2) [older examples.](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=8)[I’m not](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=23) [sure which](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=24) [he wrote](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=25), [but they’re](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=30) [thematically](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=33) [similar.](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=40) [Good dialog in this one.](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=47) [“If girls want to be slaves, there’s no harm in that. The bad thing for them is submitting to a master or to an evil mistress like Paula!”](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=61) C’mon. That’s sexist! And, of course, [“The only real happiness for anyone is to be found in obedience to loving authority.”](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=63) [Last second addition.](http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=51&limitstart=65) – The non-Wonder Woman bits of [superdickery.com](http://superdickery.com) are fairly awesome too, but with less bondage. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/75 "2011-06-22T09:28:12Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 It’s packed with tough guys from a prison; but if there is any UST even hinted at between any two characters of any respective sexes, I missed it. I just did a quick google for “Con Air Homoerotic” and a lot does come up. Take this for example: > **[ANU Film Group - Screening - 11th March, 2001](https://www.anufg.org.au/filminfo/20010311.html)** > [@](#): > > (An American critic also noted Con Air’s appeal as a potential gay cult classic—one scene with a dozen large sweaty men in singlets pulling a plane out of a ditch with big ropes is the most homoerotic scene in a major film since the volleyball game in Top Gun). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/76 "2011-06-22T10:58:54Z")
> [@Ura-Maru](#): > > The non-Wonder Woman bits of [superdickery.com](http://superdickery.com) are fairly awesome too, but with less bondage. Yeah, but what about [this?](http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/cartoons/603_naughty-wonder-woman.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/77 "2011-06-22T14:42:22Z")
You’re right, I should have included that one. As the third link, maybe. Even by Wonder Woman standards, that one’s pretty weird. Aside from the fact she’s being spanked by a giant, matronly baby in front of a crowd of other babies, which would be weird enough, her top is drawn with a level of distortion that’s almost Liefeldian. It’s also clearly glued on, but that’s not germane. – In Soviet Russia baby–you know what? I’m not doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/78 "2011-06-22T14:52:24Z")
Almost anything starring Bugs Bunny. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/79 "2011-06-22T14:53:58Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > Are we even sure Top Gun is a non gay movie? > > [Top Gun Explained](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzY9a-WmE6o) this is what I came on to post… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/80 "2011-06-22T16:35:03Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I just did a quick google for “Con Air Homoerotic” and a lot does come up. Take this for example: > > [ANU Film Group - Screening - 11th March, 2001](http://www.anufg.org.au/filminfo/20010311.html) 😕 **Men at work,** in and of itself, is “homoerotic” now? I’m not sure I want to live on this planet any longer. This is as puzzling to me as the “homoerotic” label flung at _The Passion of the Christ._ Come on, **two guys kissing** is homoerotic. What’s homoerotic about a guy getting beaten up and flogged with barbed whips? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109.md?page=5)