# Gayest Scene in a Non-Gay Film **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 20, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109 "2011-06-20T03:14:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/81 "2011-06-22T16:43:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > This is as puzzling to me as the “homoerotic” label flung at _The Passion of the Christ._ Come on, **two guys kissing** is homoerotic. What’s homoerotic about a guy getting beaten up and flogged with barbed whips? Um. You must live a sheltered life. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/82 "2011-06-22T17:14:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What’s homoerotic about a guy getting beaten up and flogged with barbed whips? Wouldn’t _you_ like to know … ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/83 "2011-06-22T17:26:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Um. > > You must live a sheltered life. Oh, I’m sure it’s a kick to some people; but it’s a **different** kind of kick, not a gay-sex kick, even if flogger and floggee are both males. Whether the whole B&D/D&S/S&M package is even a **sex** kick of any kind is debatable, IMO. I think it’s something tangentially connected but essentially different. ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/84 "2011-06-22T17:33:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > This is as puzzling to me as the “homoerotic” label flung at _The Passion of the Christ._ Come on, **two guys kissing** is homoerotic. What’s homoerotic about a guy getting beaten up and flogged with barbed whips? Who’s doing the flogging, men or women? That’s where the homoerotic part comes in. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/85 "2011-06-22T20:05:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Oh, I’m sure it’s a kick to some people; but it’s a **different** kind of kick, not a gay-sex kick, even if flogger and floggee are both males. > > Whether the whole B&D/D&S/S&M package is even a **sex** kick of any kind is debatable, IMO. I think it’s something tangentially connected but essentially different. There is no part of this post that is remotely accurate. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/86 "2011-06-22T21:20:45Z")
This seems like an apropos place to post the best montage ever done during an Oscar ceremony…[gay westerns.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TVjE72wJeQ) ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/87 "2011-06-22T21:27:34Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I think Kelly McGillis was the only person in that movie who liked girls. You mean Charlie 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/88 "2011-06-22T22:30:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There is no part of this post that is remotely accurate. It’s based on a conversation I once had with a “professional master” who gave a demo of bondage gear at an SF con. He explained that he can charge money for his services because he never takes off his pants nor touches the client’s zone, etc., so it’s not considered prostitution. And, in fact, the way he and is assistants talked about the whole thing, aroused genitals play little if any part in it. I call that a different kind of kick than a sex kick. Different, I think, even from a sexual paraphilia like foot-fetishism, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Imago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/85e7bf/32.png) [@Imago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imago)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/89 "2011-06-23T03:12:39Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Almost anything starring Bugs Bunny. That’s not gay. He crossdresses to swindle his way out of conflicts and hardships. Most men who crossdress are heterosexual. Any who aren’t are generally bisexual, pansexual or some other such thing. In all my time in the gay community, a grand total of _one_ of the male transvestites I’ve met was gay. Bugs Bunny, so far as I remember, was intended as a throwback to the archetypal tricksters of mythology, many of whom were perfectly heterosexual but crossdressed to get out of trouble. The Yoruba had Shango, who wore his wife’s clothes and her cut-off hair as a wig to get past his enemies long enough to rest a bit so he could beat them, that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/90 "2011-06-23T04:24:24Z")
> [@Imago](#): > > That’s not gay. He crossdresses to swindle his way out of conflicts and hardships. > > Most men who crossdress are heterosexual. Any who aren’t are generally bisexual, pansexual or some other such thing. In all my time in the gay community, a grand total of _one_ of the male transvestites I’ve met was gay. > > Bugs Bunny, so far as I remember, was intended as a throwback to the archetypal tricksters of mythology, many of whom were perfectly heterosexual but crossdressed to get out of trouble. The Yoruba had Shango, who wore his wife’s clothes and her cut-off hair as a wig to get past his enemies long enough to rest a bit so he could beat them, that sort of thing. The kissing. Don’t forget the kissing… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/91 "2011-06-23T04:38:08Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > The kissing. Don’t forget the kissing… Oh, Bwunhilde, you’re so wovewy . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/92 "2011-06-23T04:40:03Z")
And don’t forget the one with the truckload of personality-changing hats. ELMER (in veil): Oh, Judge! Will you mawwy me? BUGS (in top hat): Soitanly, sweetums! I would be delighted to marry up with youse! And then they actually go to a church and **do** it. [Ho, Yay!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HoYay) ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/93 "2011-06-23T05:40:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Marston was a bondage freak. In the early WW, **somebody** gets tied up or somehow restrained every ish. Often WW herself. I recall one story I saw in reprint. where WW and several of her companions did a public demonstration of medieval bondage gear at a museum, some sort of fundraiser. Yes, there’s a crime-plot, there’s a woman administrator who is insanely jealous of women who make her feel inferior; when WW volunteers for a Houdinesque escape-demo, her eyes and mouth are covered with a leather hood called a “brank” and then WW has her hands shackled behind her back and is immersed in a glass tank of water – all according to plan, but the murderess has secretly wrapped WW’s unbreakable golden lasso around her chains. To get out she has to **chew through** the brank and use her teeth to untie the lasso. > > In another, the god Mars, who lives on the planet Mars, is manipulating WWII for his own ends. (I’m not clear what they were – maybe just to keep it going.) Mars says to one of his retinue, “You’re a woman! Who do women like better, Germans or Italians?” She answers, “Oh, Italians, sir! Girls love dark men with titles!” Mars whispers in Mussolini’s ear and gets him to send “Your handsomest nobleman and your strongest brute!” to America to trap WW. The strongman challenges her to a contest, but that’s just to allow Count Crafti (impersonating a Spanish Don) to charm his way close enough to snap handcuffs on her. Surprisingly, this actually works. WW thinks, in horror: “When an Amazon allows a **man** to put on her dominance bracelets, Aphrodite takes away her powers!” She has only a natural woman’s strength now. Later, when one of her girl-crew (captured with her) asks her why she doesn’t break the manacles, WW says, “I’m being . . . er . . . punished for stupidity.” Forget how she gets out of it. Thanks for the response. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/94 "2011-06-23T06:39:55Z")
The stump removal scene in _Shane_. Sweaty men grappling with wood… ---
**Author:** ![GameHat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ed655f/32.png) [@GameHat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GameHat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/95 "2011-06-24T02:48:09Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > There’s a shower-room scene in _Top Gun_ that’s even better, i think. You’re dangerous. /bites the air. Snap! ---
**Author:** ![UntouchedTakeaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d78d45/32.png) [@UntouchedTakeaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UntouchedTakeaway)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/96 "2011-06-25T23:12:26Z")
The relationship between Wendell Corey (Johnny Ryan) and John Hodiak (Eddie Baxter) in “Desert Fury”. I don’t know if it qualifies, really…I haven’t read the source book, but it may have been more overt in that - although to be honest, I don’t see how. UT ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/97 "2011-06-26T00:47:30Z")
That dance scene linked to in the OP has me freaked out in all kinds of ways. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/98 "2011-06-26T01:20:37Z")
Military Academy movies lend themselves to this sort of thing, but the 1950s movie: [_The Strange One_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_One) has several such scenes. BDSM imagery in the shoe-shining scene, especially. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/99 "2011-06-26T01:25:11Z")
The scene between William Devane and Roy Scheider in “Marathon Man,” where, somewhat subtly, but noticeably, Devane gently strokes Scheider’s (who has just survived a life-and-death struggle) bandaged hand. Director John Schlesinger has said the characters were lovers, although it’s handled very low-key. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109/100 "2011-06-26T02:04:27Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > _Spartacus_. “[My taste includes both snails and oysters](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc3b7MP4pyw).” Wouldn’t that be more bi than gay? Anyway, I saw Spartacus on TV as a kid, and most of that scene had been cut from the film. It went straight to the part where Crassus was telling Antoninus how he must love and serve Rome. Antoninus had already made a run for it behind Crassus back. Years later, when the cut parts were restored and I saw it in a theater instead of on the small screen, that scene explained why the slave had cut and run. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gayest-scene-in-a-non-gay-film/586109.md?page=6)