# Gays admit they recruit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 11, 2006, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248 "2006-08-11T03:10:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/41 "2006-08-11T16:01:25Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I’d like to apply to become a homosexual. What’s the pay like? You get paid strictly in sausages. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/42 "2006-08-11T16:04:42Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > I’d say “solicited” is more appropriate for the situation you describe **Bricker**. “Recruit” implies a more organized and broader-based effort to bring significant numbers into the fold. When we’re talking about individuals, there no accounting for peversion. That’s a very valid point. Recruit applies to the Army because, although there are individual recruiters, they are part of an organizational effort. The Craigslist guys are acting alone, and I agree that “solicit” is a much better term. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/43 "2006-08-11T16:05:16Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Good point. I would’ve never thought of it that way. > > BTW, note that Bro Limbaugh used what we call “weasel wording”. He said: _some of them virtually admit they do_. Virtually? If he’s so sure, why hedge? Because he has no facts. There’s also that whole Ellen Degeneres/toaster oven thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/44 "2006-08-11T16:07:17Z")
Bricker: A person who signs up for the Army probably wouldn’t, if he had not enlisted, later go out and start shooting people (or repairing aqueducts, for that matter) of his own accord. That’s the difference. The guy who answers the Craigslist ad, as you say, is likely not completely straight to begin with. The experience doesn’t change him, it changes his understanding of himself, and because orientation is so fundamental to human nature, odds are good he’d have figured it out eventually anyway. You’re completely right that there are gay guys who have a thing for straight (looking/acting/mostly living) guys. Even if they manage to get someone who is truly straight into a sexual situation, it’s either just an anomaly or rape. Since experiences can’t make you gay, you can’t recruit gays in this way. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/45 "2006-08-11T16:08:05Z")
> [@Shoshana](#): > > Hey. Those crazy gay recruiters disabiled smilies in my post! This: :d is the little-seen “licking-my-eyebrows” smiley. A distant cousin to the 😛 smiley, although not seen on this board. Along with this guy – :o – they’re definately advancing the Agenda, though. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/46 "2006-08-11T16:10:31Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > You get paid strictly in sausages. Yeah, but they come with gravy… ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/47 "2006-08-11T16:14:53Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > You all really don’t need to worry about the recruiters…its gay boot camp you should fear!!! Although if you’re lucky, we’ll let you in the fabulous forces, that’s so much better then the special ones. I’d like to know more about the opportunities for advancement. For example, the Navy has the “Seaman to Admiral” program. Do you have anything comparable? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/48 "2006-08-11T16:17:50Z")
If there’s one things I cants stands it them homosexual recruiting telemarketers. They call me every night around suppertime. They even try to trick me by just confirming my mailing address to turn me teh gay. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/49 "2006-08-11T16:25:05Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I’d like to know more about the opportunities for advancement. > For example, the Navy has the “Seaman to Admiral” program. Do you have anything comparable? Similar, it’s the seaman to rear admiral program. We also have excellent opportunities for translators, instructors etc, basically those with high aptitude in oral skills. Bear in mind that just like the military, we require a full physical exam prior to admission. Antinor01, Chief of Staff, Gay USA. “The Fabulous, The Proud, The Fags.” ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/50 "2006-08-11T16:25:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So if we picture a guy who has been intrigued at the idea of getting blown by a guy, who one day sees a Craigslist ad offering anonymous head to straight guys, and who shows up and unzips and is… er… blown away by how great the experience was and thereafter exclusively devotes himself to manflesh… is not really unfair to say he was, in a sense, “recruited?” I think it is, because, among some other reasons, I think your analogy is weak. When I go to an Army recruiter, or a job recruiter, they’re trying to get me to join their organization. If I’m recruited into the Army, I’m now a member of the Army, am working to further the Army’s goals, etc. So I’m thinking that’s not the best analogy to use. There’s a segment of the population out there with black hair. There are also companies out there that sell hair dye which will turn your hair black, and people do dye their hair. But we don’t say that the dye companies are recruiting people to be black haired, because once you’ve dyed your hair, even though you become a segment of the population with black hair, you’re not actually joining anything. There’s no organization, no ideology…there’s no entity of “black haired people” the way that the Army or a corporation is an entity. It’s a classification instead of an entity. Likewise, “gay people” is a classification. It’s a group that has one defining characteristic, sexual attraction to the same sex, without anything beyond that. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/51 "2006-08-11T16:25:31Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > I went to a Christian highschool which had daily preaching sessions. They warned me how amazingly easy it was to “fall gay.” Watch the wrong television show, and you might wake up gay. Girls who read feminist literature or go to liberal arts colleges will suffer the same fate. God help you if you end up going to Disneyworld on “Gay Day”-- you ain’t gettin’ out of there straight, that’s for sure. Hmmm. I still read _Ms. Magazine_, went to two liberal arts colleges, and have a liberal arts degree. This is going to come as a _terrible_ shock to the gentleman I’m seeing tonight! :eek: Then again, if I haven’t “fallen gay” in 20 years, I doubt I’ll get around to it in the next few hours. I do have work to do Like others around here I suspect that what some people mean by “recruiting” is encouraging gay and bi-sexual people to think that they’re not disgusting, perverted, hell-bound scum. If that’s the case, I’ll happily sign up as a recruiter! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/52 "2006-08-11T16:34:41Z")
Hitting on straight guys is “recruiting?” Isn’t there an implied assumption in such an argument that straight guys can be converted simply by being propositioned? If they’re really straight, there’s no danger of being enticed, is there? And if they _are_ enticed, then they’re not really all that straight. This kind of thinking just makes me think that some guys are projecting a little bit. “Those tricksy, sexy queers keep trying to recruit me. Make them stop before I yield to temptation.” Dude, if you’re _tempted_, you’re already there. Even if some guys do give in to their “bi-curiosity,” so what? How does that make them victims? Why is that bad thing? How many women try to convert or “cure” gay men, by the way? Does that count as recruitment as well? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/53 "2006-08-11T17:01:46Z")
> [@](#): > > I’d like to apply to become a homosexual. What’s the pay like? The pay sucks, but the uniforms are fabulous. As to soliciting “straight” guys, there’s a reason we now use the term “men who have sex with men” rather than “gay” when assessing for HIV risks. There are plenty of people who consider themselves straight, or like to pretend they’re straight, but engage in same-sex sexual behavior. For some it’s a problem, and for some it’s a role play. I mean, Craigslist also solicits for “bad girls who need a spanking,” and while some of those girls may indeed be bad, some just wanna have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/54 "2006-08-11T17:04:36Z")
> [@Shoshana](#): > > The pay sucks, but the uniforms are fabulous. > > As to soliciting “straight” guys, there’s a reason we now use the term “men who have sex with men” rather than “gay” when assessing for HIV risks. There are plenty of people who consider themselves straight, or like to pretend they’re straight, but engage in same-sex sexual behavior. For some it’s a problem, and for some it’s a role play. I mean, Craigslist also solicits for “bad girls who need a spanking,” and while some of those girls may indeed be bad, some just wanna have fun. What I find the most amusing is the rather high number of guys that post on craigslist looking for sex with a guy, claiming to be straight, but their ‘girlfriend’ just happens to be out of town…I tell ya, those girlfriends travel a LOT! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/55 "2006-08-11T17:15:08Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Even if some guys do give in to their “bi-curiosity,” so what? How does that make them victims? Why is that bad thing? Because there are still many people in decision-making power positions who feel that portraying homosexuality in any positive light whatsoever is a bad thing. They feel that it is, in every way possible to measure it, wrong. A guy asks a straight guy out? Wrong. Straight guy says yes? Also wrong. But the gay guy _started it._ ---
**Author:** ![TJdude825](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@TJdude825](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TJdude825)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/56 "2006-08-11T17:44:50Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > There’s also that whole Ellen Degeneres/toaster oven thing. I haven’t heard about this. Is it some sort of program where Ellen sends you a toaster every time you successfully enlist a new gay? > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > How many women try to convert or “cure” gay men, by the way? Does that count as recruitment as well? As well as straight men who do the same thing to gay women. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/57 "2006-08-11T17:47:12Z")
> [@TJdude825](#): > > I haven’t heard about this. Is it some sort of program where Ellen sends you a toaster every time you successfully enlist a new gay? On the episode of her show where she came out, a lesbian character actually _originated_ the now-long-running joke about getting a toaster oven if she converts just one more person (Ellen). That’s IIRC… ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/58 "2006-08-11T18:12:18Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > Either that, or people are still giving credence to the drivel that spilled (spills? dunno if the old hag is still alive) from the lips of Anita Bryant. > > Or, just maybe, he’s full of shit. I’d be willing to go with any or all of these. > > -Waste Yes, the old anti-fag hag is still alive. I read her book where she states “Since homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally, they have to recruit our children.” I can’t begin to tell you what is wrong with that statement. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/59 "2006-08-11T19:47:37Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > Similar, it’s the seaman to rear admiral program. I thgouht ti was the seaman to the poop deck ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248/60 "2006-08-11T19:54:06Z")
> [@whole bean](#): > > I thgouht ti was the seaman to the poop deck Only after it’s been completely scrubbed though. That skill must be mastered before promotion is considered. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gays-admit-they-recruit/368248.md?page=4)