# GeeDubya Speaks From the Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 3, 2004, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901 "2004-09-03T03:15:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/141 "2004-09-04T15:40:42Z")
I don’t know what to say to someone who believes that Ronald Reagan was the first lying politician. So, I’ll just shut up. ---
**Author:** ![DirkGntly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DirkGntly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirkGntly)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/142 "2004-09-04T15:40:49Z")
**Guin** , Yes, yes we should. Will we? I don’t know. Perhaps we won’t have to. There are those who believe in the “democracy domino” theory, though I’m not certain of the validity of that particular theory. **monstro** , Maybe we did, maybe we didn’t, but the point is we currently DO NOT - and the current policy addresses countries/individuals/businesses CURRENTLY supporting/aiding/harboring. Personally, I find your argument intentionally obtuse/inflammatory. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/143 "2004-09-04T17:20:05Z")
by **Dirk** > [@](#): > > This is CLASSIC mis-direction. Of COURSE Iraq had nothing DIRECTLY to do with 9/11. If this is so fucking obvious, then why is an alarming percentage of the American people under the impression that Iraq is directly related to 9/11? Do you think the Bush League has anything to do with this confusion? > [@](#): > > What people tend to forget (and this is the purpose of the mis-direction) is that OFFICIAL U.S. POLICY after 9/11 was we would pursue not only terrorists, but also those who “harbor and aid” terrorists, whether individuals, businesses or governments. In that respect, Iraq was indeed a target; can anyone honestly deny that Iraq harbored and aided terrorist? Does anyone remember $25k payments to families that let their kids blow themselves and civilians all to hell-and-gone?? That certainly sounds like “aiding terrorists” to me. Sure, but come on now! How many times did Bush tell us that Iraq was a imminent threat to the U.S.? Lost count? Me too. Now, if you can, tell me how many times Bush told us that Iraq was a imminent threat to Israel? Can’t do it? Neither can I! Did Bush make the case for war based on the fact that funds were being sent to the Palistinians terrorist? No, he did not. He rushed us into war based on the lie that Hussein had WMDs (not programs, but the actual weapons). He rushed us into war based on the allegation that Iraq was only a few days away from attacking _us_. But there was no evidence of this. Just conjecture. Even now, as bullets and bombs rain on our soldier’s heads, without one WMD found, we have Bush and his pals saying the same stuff they were saying 3 years ago. Even after most if not all the intelligence has been discredited, they are still saying that Iraq was an urgent threat. And then, when they think no one is paying attention, they switch to “we came in to liberate an oppressed people” mode. Al-Queda had fuckall to do with Iraq. But you wouldn’t know that by listening to Bush’s speeches. This is misdirection at its finest. > [@](#): > > Now, you are allowed to disagree with the official policy - I’m not going to say if it’s right or it’s wrong for purpose of this discussion, merely saying that I’m getting tired of the mis-direction and dishonesty behind it. Official policy would probably allow us to go after more than half the countries in the world, including our allies. But that’s irrelevant. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should, especially the way we did. This war is like the IRS spending millions of dollars to go after the lower-middle class bloke that forgot to pay his taxes, while turning a blind eye to the exploits of Mr. Enron. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/144 "2004-09-04T18:24:07Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I don’t know what to say to someone who believes that Ronald Reagan was the first lying politician. So, I’ll just shut up. I’m sorry, Lib… didn’t mean to seem like I was cutting you off. And yes, I know that Ronald Reagan wasn’t the first lying politician. And there were other politicians who were certainly worse about dirty tricks. And there have been other blitheringly incompetent politicians, and blah, blah, blah. What bugs me is the idea that a man can be so obviously what he is… and yet claim to be something else… and blatantly lie about the obvious truths, his own and someone else’s… …and \*so many people \* will STILL believe him. It’s starting to feel like we’re supporting our politicians the way we support our football teams… anything goes, as long as Our Team wins. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/145 "2004-09-04T19:02:53Z")
> [@DirkGntly](#): > > monstro, > Maybe we did, maybe we didn’t, but the point is we currently DO NOT - and the current policy addresses countries/individuals/businesses CURRENTLY supporting/aiding/harboring. Personally, I find your argument intentionally obtuse/inflammatory. Make no doubt about it, fella. We [did](http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/) it once. And then [again](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/155236.stm). Now, you’d have a point if there was evidence that SH supported/aided/harbored anti-American terrorists\*. We don’t have evidence of this. We never did. Bushie had Saddam on the brain way before 9/11. Way before he took office. We went into Iraq because of his fucking bloodlust, period. The 11,000 Iraqi civilians killed in this war had nothing to do with Al-Queda or 9/11. We didn’t go to war with SH’s regime. We went to war on the Iraqi people. And now we’ve created a whole generation of terrorists. Beautiful. \*We don’t seem to care about terrorists threatening other countries. IMHO, we should really call The War On Terrorists Who Hate America, not The War On Terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/146 "2004-09-04T19:27:52Z")
> [@Master Wang-Ka](#): > > It’s starting to feel like we’re supporting our politicians the way we support our football teams… anything goes, as long as Our Team wins. I think this hits the nail on the head. I have been very frustrated with exactly the matter you are describing - the bald faced lies, the self-serving deceit, the abuse of power, and the lack of interest among the voters. In this case, I am a partisan supporter of the other side, so my crying foul is not unexpected. But in dark moments, I have entertained the wish that we would do just the same in order to regain power. I don’t really want this - I’d rather that the truth does exert power and influence, and justice prevails, but when it doesn’t… what do we do? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/147 "2004-09-04T21:24:56Z")
Who the fuck is this “Booka” that keeps buzzing in my ear? Anybody got a can of Raid? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/148 "2004-09-04T21:30:49Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > If anyone can provide a direct link to a primary source showing that Barbara Bush made the “beautiful mind” comment, I will eat my hat. You were already fucking given a fucking excerpt from fucking [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv), along with the notation that it’s a pay site and you’re not worth it. Now, do you claim she \*didn’t \* say it, schmuck? ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/149 "2004-09-04T21:57:46Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > …ABC.com, would be the obvious choice… I think you’re gonna have to take the [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv) site (and I guess pay for it…?), since that’s going to be the only “primary source” you will find. (ABCNews’s website links to [www.transcripts.tv](http://www.transcripts.tv)) It would be foolish to try and argue that she didn’t say this, though. LilShieste ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/150 "2004-09-04T22:14:04Z")
DtC, you must have gotten the conventions confused. Kerry’s speech was totally lame and I fell asleep during it. Bush’s speech was outstanding. I’m gonna really enjoy voting for him in November. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/151 "2004-09-04T22:58:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Kerry’s speech was totally lame and I fell asleep during it. Bush’s speech was outstanding. IANAD, but I do believe that is a clear symptom of the dreaded craniorectal inversion disorder. And contrary to what you may have been led to believe, drinking the Kool-Aid only worsens the condition. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/152 "2004-09-04T23:20:02Z")
> [@Hooch](#): > > It’s his politics. His weak views on the military. Excuse me? Weak views on the military? Laddie, you gotta get out more and pay attention to the world around you. More specifically, pay attention to that which you knee-jerkingly denigrate. > [@](#): > > Saying things like his pledge to have a more sensitive war on terrorism. And stop basing your views on that which issues forth from Cheney. > [@](#): > > The fact that he will probably gut the military and raise my taxes. That’s funny, I’m voting against Bush because he will probably put soldiers in harm’s way and raise _my_ taxes. And he’ll probably grind up puppies and roll around in the liquified essence of puppies that he’s created. > [@](#): > > His views on the U.N. Fuck the U.N. I’m with Pat on this one. We don’t need to be a member and we don’t need them telling us how to protect ourselves. Well, fuck you and fuck Pat (I’m guessing that’s Buchanan). We **do** need to be a member of the UN. And do you have an instance of them telling the US how to protect itself? > [@](#): > > I’m not saying Kerry didn’t have a right to protest the war in Viet Nam. . . Well, thank the fates! > [@](#): > > . . .but he did say some very nasty things at a time when our boys were being called baby killers and spit upon when they returned home. He didn’t help that situation one goddamn bit. Sure he did. Most of those things have been substantiated. The truth hurts. And since I’ve asked for this from **Magiver** and not heard anything, I’ll ask for the same from you: Please direct anyone who was spat upon to my e-mail address. It’s in my profile. And he wasn’t trying to help that situation (if, by “that situation” you’re referring to Vietnam). He was trying to end it. Which was the right thing to do. > [@](#): > > But it’s too late to just up and leave now. We should have dealt with Afghanistan first and then went into Iraq. I’m not against removing Saddam but the timing was very poor judgement. Well, then, you and I agree on something. Except that I think that Iraq was bullshit from the go. And since there was no dealing with Afghanistan on any real level, the US has managed to piss up two countries. And you think that the tipping is done in Bush’s favor? _That_ is the “sad commentary”. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/153 "2004-09-05T03:17:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You were already fucking given a fucking excerpt from fucking [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv), along with the notation that it’s a pay site and you’re not worth it. Now, do you claim she \*didn’t \* say it, schmuck? Wrong, bucko. **Stoid** made the original claim, and you and \*\*Guin[/] tried to back it up with the lamest cites in SDMB history. :rolleyes: Back up your claim, or shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/154 "2004-09-05T07:40:37Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Who the fuck is this “Booka” that keeps buzzing in my ear? Anybody got a can of Raid? It’s like Alan Keyes vs Mary Cheney — not even worth dignifying by giving it your attention. You just carry on, Dio. We’ve got your back. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/155 "2004-09-05T12:39:19Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Wrong, bucko. **Stoid** made the original claim, and you and **Guin** tried to back it up with the lamest cites in SDMB history. :rolleyes: > > Back up your claim, or shut the fuck up. Let me see if I got this right, OK, buttmunchkin…? CommonDreams, that dastardly liberalmedia site, decides to just make shit up, out of thin air, they can pick whatever they want, they can pretend Babs said any _horrible_, puppy-frying thing their twisted imagination can come up with… And they decide to dream up that relatively innocuous, but stupid, quote about her “beautiful mind”, eschewing stuff like… “The Dark Lord rules! Bark! Arf, arf!..” or “Arrrrrr, me heartys, arrrrrr! Arrrrrr!” Or “Oooooooh, harder, **Milroyj** , harder, faster, more!!..Yes!..Yes!..oooh, _YES!!_…” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/156 "2004-09-05T13:26:40Z")
Okay, **milroyj** , go right ahead and start a thread here (or perhaps in Free Republic, where it might be better received) about dem nasty lib’ruls making up shit about pore ol’ Gramma Babs. Sad wanker. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/157 "2004-09-05T19:31:55Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > A post on a talk show host’s message board != “a second-hand transcript” of anything. How about a primary news source? [ABC.com](http://ABC.com), would be the obvious choice, but any primary news source would do–CBS/NBC/CNN/NYT/Washington Post/BBC/etc. > > If anyone can provide a direct link to a primary source showing that Barbara Bush made the “beautiful mind” comment, I will eat my hat. The following quotation is from the ABC News transcript for March 18, 2003. I cannot provide a direct link, because i located this transcript on Lexis/Nexis, which is an expensive, subscription-only news database. Most public libraries and nearly all university libraries have access to this, so if you want to check it for yourself, please go to one of those locations. In the meantime, i like to think that, even if you don’t agree with my politics, you’ll trust me to quote the piece accurately: > [@](#): > > Copyright 2003 American Broadcasting Companies, Inc. > ABC News Transcripts > > SHOW: GOOD MORNING AMERICA - ABC > > March 18, 2003 Tuesday > > LENGTH: 1715 words > > HEADLINE: BRINK OF WAR FORMER PRESIDENT BUSH AND BARBARA BUSH SPEAK OUT ABOUT WAR > > \ > > DIANE SAWYER > > (Off Camera) You said that, that Mrs. Bush at one point had said to the two of you, don’t watch too much TV. You may be watching too much TV. > > FORMER FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH > > No question. > > DIANE SAWYER > > (Off Camera) You do watch? > > FORMER FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH > > I watch none. He sits and listens and I read books, because I know perfectly well that, don’t take offense, that 90 percent of what I hear on television is supposition, when we’re talking about the news. And he’s not, not as understanding of my pettiness about that. But why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it’s gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it’s, it’s not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that. And watch him suffer. > > FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH > > You know, you’re gonna get us in real trouble. Does that worry you at all? > > FORMER FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH > > About what? > > FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH > > Because we keep saying we’re not gonna do interviews, we’re not gonna talk about Iraq. But she hit the right button 'cause she talked . . . > > FORMER FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH > > We’re not talking about Iraq. We’re talking about our son. Note: **milroyj** was so incensed about what he saw as **ElvisL1ves** ’ dishonesty that he started a [whole new pit thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=274735) on the subject. My comments and the quotation above essentially repeat the post i made in that thread, but i wanted to put it in this thread too, in case anyone here was under the misapprehension the **milroyj** has a fucking clue what he’s talking about. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/158 "2004-09-06T04:04:48Z")
> [@booka](#): > > I tried, but failed. Silly **booka**! That’s what the ignore list is for. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/159 "2004-09-06T04:26:25Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Silly **booka**! > > That’s what the ignore list is for. Now that post is against the rules, isn’t it? I believe it is. But, since stupid milroyj brought it up, it will likely get a pass. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901/160 "2004-09-06T05:23:07Z")
This may take the cake for most insulting post ever IMO. At the very least I find it tremendously ironic. > [@Master Wang-Ka](#): > > What Reagan began – and what Bush and his team are turning into a science – is the concept that _truth is irrelevant_, that _spin is everything_, and whichever side has the better advertising and is willing to be more vicious and brutal wins. > … > And now, I see a second-generation plutocrat whose connections not only kept him out of Viet Nam, they allowed him to simply walk away from his National Guard obligation. > > This man beat out legitimate war heroes to become not only a President… but a Wartime President. This man had the incredible gall to make a speech ending with “Bring it on!” to a hostile nation. He used misdirection and outright lies to begin a war in which Americans and many others would die, just like in the war he successfully avoided so many years ago. > … > Regardless of whether or not one thinks Kerry is fit to be President, one owes him the same regard and respect one would pay to ANY individual who went through a crappy couple of years in his country’s service. > … > He has managed, via chicanery, spin doctoring, and flat-out lying, to convince a substantial portion of the electorate that he is better suited to run a country and a war than people who actually fought and commanded soldiers in previous ones. > > He has done this by ridiculing and besmirching the reputation of a veteran… a veteran of the same war he sneaked off and hid from. Every line I’ve quoted there is either spin or lying. Ironic, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > TRUTH IS IRRELEVANT. WHOEVER SCREAMS THE LOUDEST HAS THE FLOOR. WHOEVER PUTS ON THE BEST SHOW WINS. WHOEVER IS MOST SUCCESSFUL AT SMEARING HIS OPPONENT WINS. > > The issues will be of no importance whatsoever. It will be a matter of who has the most money, who has the best advertising, who has the best spin doctors, who puts on the best dog and pony show. Reality will be a minor concern, if any. The importance of the press is already downright minimal. > > Some would say this has already happened. I don’t want to believe that. And if Bush wins, then I will have no choice but to believe it, because it will be so obviously true, then. Do you have any idea how arrogant this is? There are other conclusions, including the possibility that your assessment of the facts is incorrect. Is it that hard to believe that intelligent people capable of thinking for themselves don’t agree with you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubya-speaks-from-the-ass/262901.md?page=9)