# GeeDubya's big speech. Be Wrong Now! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019 "2003-09-07T01:01:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/21 "2003-09-07T03:42:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*PS: I only disagree with friend **Brutus** because I suspect something as hefty as WMD’s! Found! would have leaked by now. > > Anybody checked the latest blogs? \*\* [AP blurb](http://www.lasvegassun.com/drudged/090508111.html) that the speech will be some generic mush about 9/11, Iraq, terrorism, etc. Damnit, politics are so damned boring this time of year. I am actually looking forward to the coming Dem debates, for lack of better political news. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/22 "2003-09-07T03:44:02Z")
Heck, I have the _desire_ to start a WMD program, as in “Dammit, if this idiot doesn’t speed up, I’d like to nuke his ass” while driving. Should I watch out for invasion forces. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/23 "2003-09-07T03:49:23Z")
He’ll say nothing, or close to nothing, about WMDs. Let’s be clear; the WMDs were a lie to justify the war. Now that the war’s already a fact, he doesn’t want the subject brought up anymore. He’ll avoid it. It’ll be a stay-the-course speech heavy on the positive spin on the situation in Iraq. His basic message will be that things are going well there and that the War on Terrorism is allegedly going well, although he will likely also avoid the fact that he’s failed to catch bin Laden. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/24 "2003-09-07T03:53:59Z")
[In Speech, Bush to Ask Americans and Allies for Teamwork on Iraq](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36362-2003Sep6.html) > [@](#): > > President Bush will use a prime-time address tonight to make a conciliatory appeal to countries that opposed the war in Iraq and will warn Americans that peace will take much more time, administration officials said yesterday. He also will reveal the amount of money he plans to request from Congress for Iraq next year, officials said. > > \ > > Until now, Bush’s speeches about Iraq have said little about a need for sacrifices from society as a whole. > > Analysts called the address an attempt by Bush to take command at a time when his justification for the war has proved factually flawed, his planning for the occupation is being criticized as inadequate, and Iraq is beset by rising sectarianism, sabotage and chaos. > > Ivo H. Daalder, a senior foreign-policy fellow at the Brookings Institution, said he sees no indication that Bush plans to redress the concerns that have made foreign governments reluctant to contribute money or troops to the occupation. > > "This is typical Bush: ‘I know what’s right; here is what’s right; you have to do what I tell you to do,’ " Daalder said. “They think they can fix this with a speech instead of doing the hard work of traveling to these countries and convincing them that we’re willing to listen to their point of view and figure out what they need for us to do in order for us to do this together.” ---
**Author:** ![Ego\_Mk2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58956e/32.png) [@Ego\_Mk2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ego_Mk2)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/25 "2003-09-07T03:54:55Z")
I predict he suddenly opens up a cooler and then holds up the bloddy dripping heads of Osama and Saddam. That would be neato! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/26 "2003-09-07T03:57:16Z")
No, can’t entirely ignore WMD’s. Will jut his chin and hint that Mr. Kay and his special super dooper snooper corps are on the verge of a smoking gun…but it’s secret. Secret plans. Very secure. I could tell you, but then I’d hvae to bore you to death. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/27 "2003-09-07T03:57:57Z")
Does this mean the roster of regular posters to GD is going to suddenly shrink for awhile? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/28 "2003-09-07T04:03:14Z")
I have to bore them to death one at a time, I don’t have field effect ennui. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/29 "2003-09-07T04:11:16Z")
We’re going to find out that his daughter is missing and that he has resigned the presidency to Dick Cheney. Damn, that sounds familiar…it’s either that or more propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/30 "2003-09-07T04:24:25Z")
My vote’s a recap on Iraq and the further planting of the psychological anchors about terrorism and our war against it, since this speech is set a scant four days from the Two Year Anniversary. Not to mention it’s a good audience night. **NB Perfect timing**. Secretary Rumsfeld made it clear Iraqi security is up to the Iraqis, we have a new line on the UN and 7 out of 10 Americans think Saddam Hussein had a hand in [September 11, 2001](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030906/ap_on_re_us/terrorism_poll_2). Just a little mugging for the electorate: “See how safe y’all been so far?” ---
**Author:** ![G-RAY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@G-RAY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-RAY)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/31 "2003-09-07T04:30:28Z")
It is part of a deal with the U.N… They have a secret agreement to provide troops, cash and other support in Iraq if W will appear on national tv in a catholic school girl uniform and admit that he is an idiot has totally and fucked up Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![G-RAY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@G-RAY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-RAY)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/32 "2003-09-07T04:32:59Z")
It is part of a deal with the U.N… They have a secret agreement to provide troops, cash and other support in Iraq if W will appear on national tv in a catholic school girl uniform and admit that he is an idiot and has totally fucked up Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muldoon_s_Squishiness)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/33 "2003-09-07T04:35:30Z")
He will lie and bullshit and pull the old bait and switch and say nothing about how the economy shows NO signs of improving, thereby making his immense tax cuts an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. God will be mentioned. Osama bin Ladin will not. Saddam Hussein will not. I find it oh-so-convienient that 2 books have just been published which **surprise** blame former President Clinton for the 9/11 attacks because according to the authors, Clinton knew precisely where bin Ladin was on at least 5 occasions and did nothing. FAUXNEWS has been bleating and screeching about this the whole fucking weekend. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/34 "2003-09-07T04:44:52Z")
You just have to love the entrail-reading that happens before for these speech-taculars. The writeup I saw in my local Knight-Ridder said Pres. Bush was using the East Room (or somesuch) rather than the Oval Office for the speech, which some analyst cited as a clear indication that this wasn’t a major event. Mmmkay. As for the odd media timing (footbol, movies etc): I’d tend to lean towards incompetent scheduling rather than a sinister (or even interesting) explanation. OTOH, maybe Bush’s media advisors want to make sure folks _don’t_ tune in to the speech and then hear about it second hand (and cunningly enhanced) on Monday morning via the well-oiled conservative punditocracy machinery. That would serve the “well, Bush said X!” crowd quite well if the speech can be interpreted vaguely enough to serve any end that the administration’s supporters could tilt toward. With that in mind, I’d expect extremely vague statements about a) Iraq, b) The War On Terrorism that seem to link the two together without actually saying such a thing, then c) Concerned Words About Jobs And The Economy combined with d) How The Tax Cuts Helped So Much. c) and d) have been prominently displayed in recent days, I’d expect more of the same. In summary, I’d expect a Campaign 2004 speech – lots of vagueness, flag-waving, appeals to the moderates (We Care About Education – We’ve Done So Much!!TM) etc. No substance whatever. OTOH, covering my bets: “you don’t roll out a new product in August”. Lookee, it’s September! Maybe we get to see the next foreign policy screwup for Spring 2004 introduced today! Look for any words at all about Iran or Korea (or the economy or maybe even Gay marriage or some new red-meat conservative territory), and you can probably interpret it as a test of the waters for next spring’s offensive of whatever urgent folderol this administration wants to sell us next. Keep your powder dry & your hand on your wallet. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/35 "2003-09-07T05:07:33Z")
So **Squeegee** expects that GeeDubya will announce his committment to Ru Paul. Far out. Anybody else? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/36 "2003-09-07T05:14:41Z")
What ?!? Respectfully (well, to a Minnesotan) where the fuck did you gather that? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/37 "2003-09-07T05:15:45Z")
What ?!? Respectfully (well, to a Minnesotan) where the fuck did you gather that? And if this is your way of calling my summary unfocused. Well – jeezus. Elucidator is calling me unfocused. Imagine my chagrin. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/38 "2003-09-07T05:26:30Z")
Rumor mill is it will be about Iran. [story](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/07/wiran07.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/09/07/ixnewstop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=43073) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/39 "2003-09-07T05:29:33Z")
Or to be more blunt: what the fuck is your problem, **Elucidator**? You ask for some intelligent guesses about a Bush speech, and get quite a few post on the order of “what about death rays, heh heheh heheh.” Wow, great thread. Then someone, namely me, posts what I’d hoped was something at least one step above Beavis, and you take all of 19 minutes to take a one line crap on it. I guess that those Texas manners never quite wear off. Welcome back to the south – please wipe your boots off when entering the doublewide, and please don’t wipe yourself on the commode’s draperies, that’s what the corncobs are for. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019/40 "2003-09-07T05:43:15Z")
And **Tars Tarkas** confirms my ass-covering prediction: the “new product” will be **Iran**. **Elucidator** , I really used to have some grudging respect for you. I liked your rhetorical style, I liked your sense of fun in the debate. And I’m on the same side as you: if “conservatives” really served thier stated ideals, I’d have less problem and some respect for them, but the conservatives I see in power mouth platitudes while raping thier constituents to serve business interests. I’d imagine that this isn’t that far from your own philosophy about current players. I don’t know why you see fit to mock someone who posts something that completely agrees with what you’re saying. What the fuck is your problem? In any case, I’m done. Go fuck yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/geedubyas-big-speech-be-wrong-now/200019.md?page=3)