Geeks/nerds and Japanese culture obsession: why?

I’m a nerd/geek that likes Japanese culture, I always found the ancient mythologies and historical eras interesting, possibly because it just seems different. We get knights and European middle ages and such in school, Asian not so much so it’s sort of unique. And the society is very techno-based. I also tend towards computer and game geek, we get so much technology from there (though it seems to be slowing down), and if it didn’t come from there, they usually think of some off the wall way to improve it. And the fact that game revival happened with the Japanese and the fact I played games from there when I was a child I was already sort of into it. The thing is, I’m also very interested in Greek mythology, Norse mythology, Astronomy and other niche topics.

I think the reason a lot of geeks/nerds seem DISPROPORTIONATELY into Japanese culture like you say is because many of their interests are either so esoteric or plain odd that Japan is the one that’s most likely for other people to understand, or at least the most likely to come up in casual conversation because it’s contemporary, influences our daily lives a great deal, and doesn’t rely on odd technical minutiae. I mean really, have YOU ever tried to discuss C++ with a computer illiterate relative? And just how often does Greece come up anymore? And how often do your conversations about Germany include a logical opening to tie in Norse mythology?

PS: Yes I do like J-Rock and J-Pop, but I also enjoy music from Germany, and a little bit of Swedish stuff (usually Techno from the latter). I just don’t get to share my list of intersts often so people’s perceptions of me is pretty limited to whatever pops up in conversation.

Heh, I actually did reports on Japan, right when my love of the culture was budding. I’ve always wondered if I averted some potential disappointment later in my life because of the fact that I studied in depth about their business world and general society before the idealization set in(I figured I could pick up the stuff I LIKED like Anime whenever I wanted, and that a school project would be a good time to look into things I wouldn’t otherwise be interested in).

Sheer American-ness (Gaijin Smash!) can be good for a quick lay, but a failure to learn and bend to Japanese culture will have most Japanese girls saying sayonara.

Oh, don’t worry, an American will never be confused for a Japanese girl’s brother, no matter how weaboo (Japan obsessed) one is. Japan is highly xenophobic and it takes the most liberal, open-minded, and usually young Japanese person to overlook racial/ethnic differences.

As for me, I was one of the rare Japan obsessed high schoolers who tempered his zeal, studied the ups and downs of the country, and actually dated an attractive Japanese girl. Unfortunately, I really don’t have any new theory to add to the thread. IMO it was a combination of most of the above, a combo of social deficiency, exotic escapism, cultural export, and historical ties.

I’m not sure about the other two, but the Australian fascination was in the late '80s, with Crocodile Dundee, stuffed koala bears everywhere, and all of that good stuff.

A lot of it has to do with the sheer influence this nation has had on us post-WW2. Cars. Foreign investment. Video games. Sports (including one of the most exotic, iconic sports in the world, sumo). Decades of anime, including numerous old titles which were simply called “cartoons” and treated as such. Movies. A huge presence that affects our thinking in ways that Thailand, Indonesia, or the Phillipines never could. Hell, Korea doesn’t have that kind of influence, and they actually do love us! :slight_smile:

Throw in a convenient means of spreading quirkiness worldwide (the Internet, like I have to tell you), and we’ve got a full-blown geek phenomenon on our hands.

Personally, I find most aspects of traditional Japanese culture insufferable at best(where I come from, letters after your name are EARNED), but as long as I don’t have to live with it, I don’t mind my very minor involvement.

nikonikosuru - When travelling to a foreign land for the first time for any reason (and I would schedule an impromptu vacation before committing to anything long-term), wouldn’t the sensible thing be to get, y’know, a guide? Japan guides aren’t exactly hard to find. And how can anyone be discouraged by manga and anime not being plastered anywhere? Here’s an idea: shop! (Like you need an excuse?) Maybe, I dunno, focusing on the kind of places that generally have manga and anime…bookstores, video stores, music stores, etc.? As an added bonus, you get to see the community, get a feel for the ebb and flow of the place, maybe even find a few new places to buy cool stuff from.

I don’t think it’s a culture shock issue; it seems to me that your classmates were simply too closed-minded and spiritless to enjoy the experience.

P.S. - Did I mention catchy cheap dumb catchphrases? “KAWAII!!” “BAKA!” “HENTAI!” “BAKABAKABAKABAKA!” “IKU!” Hey, “Not!!” is still being used to this day. Don’t ever underestimate their insidious power.

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned in much detail in this thread: videogames. Ever since the collapse of the American console market, Japanese developers have been pretty much calling the shots. Nintendo, Sega and Sony drove the market with an iron fist from the mid 80s until only recently when Microsoft became the first American console manufacturer to put a significant dent in their market share. Now, it’s no secret the geeks and nerds like videogames, for the most part. For decades, videogames have increased western exposure to Japanese style aesthetics. Square games in particular have probably been huge contributors. Typically, their games are enjoyable by a large audience (the Final Fantasy series are pretty much all global blockbusters), but also have a lot of particularly Japanese style to them. Combine this Japanese driven market with the fact that many games back in the day used to never make it overseas and you get a lot of people who think that Japan is the place to be. Certainly not a comprehensive explanation for the phenomenon, but I think a significant factor.

I definitely think so. I was the same; I’ve done reports on so many different aspects of Japan (overall country itself, women in society, linguistics, kamikaze pilots etc. etc.) and those topics helped lead me to finding even more topics to get me interested in different aspects of Japan. I was known for doing the reports while my friend was known for knowing all of the anime and J-pop. Looking back on it, it does seem like that was the fork in the road and doing those reports helped me to stay away from narrowing my interest to just anime, manga, and music which seems to be what happened to my friend.
The last three aren’t terrible, I won’t die if I do any of them :stuck_out_tongue: but I do make a somewhat concious effort to stay away from them so I don’t fall into the otaku stereotype. Although it’s what originally got me interested in Japan, over time it took a backseat to other things.

Indeed, I feel silly for not mentioning this. The original reason I decided to learn Japanese was so that I could import videogames and understand what was going on.

First of all, nerds and geeks aren’t obsessed with all aspects of Japanese culture. Just adolescent topics like ninjas, anime, robots, videogames and general high tech. I’m not an expert, but I’m sure there is more to Japanese culture than just that stuff. I mean most nerds aren’t out studying the Japanese language, art or ancient culture.

Nerds obsess over Japanese stuff because the Japanese make a lot of stuff nerds obsess over.