# Gen. Boykin Is Nuts. Really. Nuts. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2003, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549 "2003-10-31T00:09:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/21 "2003-10-31T04:12:05Z")
**NaSultainne** , it’s exciting to see this hoary tripe dragged out again. Since this is the Pit, let me take a special minute to say: I am so tired of pseudo-Christian fucks like you spewing their shit all over Islam. Have you ever actually sat down and talked with a REAL LIVE FUCKING MUSLIM? not argued on the boards with \*\*Aldebaran[/B}, but, ya know, had a fucking sandwich with anyone “deemed to represent ‘true’ Islam”? ---
**Author:** ![Hydrocortisone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19b73/32.png) [@Hydrocortisone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hydrocortisone)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/22 "2003-10-31T04:41:01Z")
From the LA Times (cached): [http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=The+Pentagon+Unleashes+a+Holy+Warrior&url=VoduMVmqV1YJ:www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-arkin16oct16,0,4141774.story%3Fcoll=la-news-comment-opinions](http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=The+Pentagon+Unleashes+a+Holy+Warrior&url=VoduMVmqV1YJ:www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-arkin16oct16,0,4141774.story%3fcoll=la-news-comment-opinions) ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/23 "2003-10-31T05:05:25Z")
> [@](#): > > ## So, Boykin says God chose Bush for President, hmmm, okay, fits with scripture. > > > [@](#): > > > > How the fuck does that fit with scripture? It’s in the bible! I think it’s somewhere in the back… I don’t think I’m allowed to voice an opinion on this guy. But being stationed at JFKSWCS, I did think this was an odd place to bring a church group - to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/24 "2003-10-31T05:26:57Z")
Account from AUFSOCAS about the [Super FAITH Multiplier Force](http://www.au.org/press/pr030407.htm). ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/25 "2003-10-31T09:16:40Z")
If Boykn ever needs a roommate in his early retirement from military service, I nominate **NaSultainne.** As long as you keep the two of them from any sharp instruments, I’m sure they’ll have endless fun agreeing with each other on how to “properly” read the Bible… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/26 "2003-10-31T11:09:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JDeMobray \* > \*\*How can someone who believes this support our conflict in Iraq? Wasn’t the entire stated goal to overthrow the governing authorities? \*\* Yaeh, but that wasn’t our God. That was the _enemy_ God that established THAT authority. Or some words to that effect… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/27 "2003-10-31T11:26:16Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by NaSultainne \* > **Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for \*\* there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities who exist have been established by God.** > Rom 13:1_\* Does this apply to Saddam and the Taliban too, then? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/28 "2003-10-31T13:16:57Z")
Ann Coulter is, of course, the Whore of Babylon. We’ve established that. ---
**Author:** ![jesuslynch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e99b99/32.png) [@jesuslynch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesuslynch)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/29 "2003-10-31T13:31:14Z")
We’ve also established that Sadaam and Satan are lovers. Saw it on a documentary a couple of summers ago. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/30 "2003-10-31T13:37:29Z")
> [@](#): > > How can someone who believes this support our conflict in Iraq? Wasn’t the entire stated goal to overthrow the governing authorities? Well, I think the cite actually meant that no one has any true authority unless granted that by God. Saddam had power, but no right to use it. I’m sure people looked at that one very differently in different times and places, though. I don’t particularly think that God specifically favored Bush or Gore. Then again, you never know. I personally believe that Gore would have been an astoundingly bad president after 9/11, and that the Recent Unpleasantness was neccessary to attain future peace, as well as being a good, just, and moral thing in and of itself. So I might be slightly biased. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Ann Coulter is, of course, the Whore of Babylon. We’ve established that. Nah, didn’t you see “The 9th Gate”? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/31 "2003-10-31T13:53:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Ann Coulter is, of course, the Whore of Babylon. We’ve established that. \*\* That’s disappointing. I had always envisaged the Whore of Babylon as looking… well, looking a lot more like a WOMAN. Isn’t Ann Coulter a bit _mannish_ for that role? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/32 "2003-10-31T14:55:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, I think the cite actually meant that no one has any true authority unless granted that by God. Saddam had power, but no right to use it. How does one distinguish “true” God given authority from illegitimate authority? I could just as easily say that GWB has power but no right to use it. > [@](#): > > I personally believe that Gore would have been an astoundingly bad president after 9/11, and that the Recent Unpleasantness was neccessary to attain future peace, as well as being a good, just, and moral thing in and of itself. 1.) What do you think that Gore would have done differently than Bush? What would have made him “spectacularly bad?” 2.) An illegal invasion founded on lies is necessary to attain future peace? Isn’t that like destroying the village in order to save it? ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/33 "2003-10-31T16:14:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Where in hell have you people been for the last twenty years? Earth. > [@](#): > > Think the phrase “The Great Satan” was invoked by a Christian against Muslims? Yes. > [@](#): > > Funny how the Egyptian Foreign Minister, the Afghan President, and the Prime Minister of Malaysia, all Muslim leaders, can make truly hateful comments about the Jews, but somehow, they’re never deemed to represent “true” Islam. When they say Jew, maybe they mean Israeli, and they’re distressed about how a nation can treat a segment of it’s populace based on their religion. > [@](#): > > Nice double standard It really is. > [@](#): > > The same folks who conveniently disregard the defense of Kuwait, Kosovo, Bosnia (all Muslim) continue the drumbeat about the WAR AGAINST ISLAM. You mean the defense of an oil producing theocratic despot {cha-ching} or the stabilization of a Christian genocide spreading into Western Europe? > [@](#): > > but once you get people conditioned to believe something, man, it sticks. You’re proof of that. > [@](#): > > Truth doesn’t even matter. So it would seem. From a Deist’s standpoint, its so hard to sit back and watch all of you Jews/Christians/Muslims make my world such a dangerous place to live. I think you’re all nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/34 "2003-10-31T16:53:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by E72521 \* > From a Deist’s standpoint, its so hard to sit back and watch all of you Jews/Christians/Muslims make my world such a dangerous place to live. I think you’re all nuts. \*\* Yeah… **all of** those Jews/Christians/Muslims are making it dangerous. Mostly by making huge, sweeping generalizations about those who don’t believe what they do.:rolleyes: Mighty broad brush you’re using there. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/35 "2003-10-31T17:47:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jesuslynch \* > \*\*We’ve also established that Sadaam and Satan are lovers. Saw it on a documentary a couple of summers ago. \*\* I saw that one too. Great musical, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/36 "2003-10-31T17:53:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah…all of those Jews/Christians/Muslims are making it dangerous. Mostly by making huge, sweeping generalizations about those who don’t believe what they do. > Mighty broad brush you’re using there. No argument here. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/37 "2003-10-31T18:01:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blessedwolf \* > \*\*Mighty broad brush you’re using there. \*\* Nah, read his whole post. He himself agreed that “once you get people conditioned to believe something, man, it sticks.” He’s just bought into the meme that organized religion is inherently dangerous. presumably, therefore, all followers of organized religion are dangerous. Or something. [sub]Besides, you don’t even _have_ a horse in this race, paganboy. Touchy bitch, aintcha?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/38 "2003-10-31T18:08:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*Nah, read his whole post. He himself agreed that “once you get people conditioned to believe something, man, it sticks.” > > He’s just bought into the meme that organized religion is inherently dangerous. presumably, therefore, all followers of organized religion are dangerous. Or something. > > [sub]Besides, you don’t even _have_ a horse in this race, paganboy. Touchy bitch, aintcha?[/sub] \*\* Organized, disorganized…buggrit. All followers of organized religion are dangerous. As are all non-followers of any religion. People are dangerous, and maybe we should, just give it up and get our monkey-asses back to the trees. [sub]just 'cos I ain’t betting on the horses, don’t mean I can’t watch the Derby. Anyway…I may be a touchy bitch, but I ain’t _your_ touchy bitch.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/39 "2003-10-31T18:10:19Z")
Nah, the trees were a bad idea in the first place . . . ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gen-boykin-is-nuts-really-nuts/210549/40 "2003-10-31T18:23:48Z")
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