# Gender Designation Change Request **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 17, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140 "2016-07-17T18:21:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/1 "2016-07-17T18:21:26Z")
Use this form to request a change to the gender designation on a driver’s license or identification card. Completed form must be signed by applicant and licensed provider and mailed to Medical Review Services at the above address. [http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dl17.pdf](http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dl17.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/2 "2016-07-17T18:26:52Z")
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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/3 "2016-07-17T18:30:38Z")
…and? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/4 "2016-07-17T18:40:29Z")
I think they also have forms for when you sell your car or change your address. Lots of forms for all kinds of things. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/5 "2016-07-17T18:56:04Z")
Apparently the OP finds this remarkable, perhaps as a sign of the End of Days. However, the same concept already exists in Australia and New Zealand, and “X” as a designation for trans- and non-binary gender is a standard of the International Civil Aviation Organization. It’s [recently been adopted in Ontario](https://news.ontario.ca/mgs/en/2016/06/ontario-boosts-gender-inclusivity-with-changes-to-official-documents.html). ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/6 "2016-07-17T19:02:19Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I think they also have forms for when you sell your car or change your address. Lots of forms for all kinds of things. I hear the 1040 is popular. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/7 "2016-07-17T19:23:06Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > I hear the 1040 is popular. Popular? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/8 "2016-07-17T19:27:43Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Popular? Very. Everyone uses it. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/9 "2016-07-17T21:56:57Z")
The NY form does not allow for a third gender designation. You still have to declare male or female, regardless of how ambiguous you may actually be, or whether you think that your gender is nobody’s business. Hopefully, in the re-civilization of society, everyone will be entitled to specify “X” or “None”, and then everyone does, and then they stop classifying people by gender, too. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/10 "2016-07-17T22:09:21Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > Use this form to request a change to the gender designation on a driver’s license or identification card. > > Completed form must be signed by applicant and licensed provider and mailed to Medical Review Services at the above address. > > [http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dl17.pdf](http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dl17.pdf) Why would I want to change my gender in Virginia? I live in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/11 "2016-07-17T22:42:36Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > Hopefully, in the re-civilization of society, everyone will be entitled to specify “X” or “None”, and then everyone does, and then they stop classifying people by gender, too. Well, that will certainly fuck up “Ladies Night”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/12 "2016-07-18T00:52:51Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > Hopefully, in the re-civilization of society, everyone will be entitled to specify “X” or “None”, > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Why would I want to change my gender in Virginia? I live in Texas. All my Xs live in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/13 "2016-07-18T01:07:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > All my Xs live in Texas. But my Ys live in Wyoming. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/14 "2016-07-18T01:20:32Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > But my Ys live in Wyoming. Ys women, maybe, but Ys guys are all in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/15 "2016-07-18T01:31:58Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ys women, maybe, but Ys guys are all in Chicago. _slaps **LHoD** on the wrist_ ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/16 "2016-07-18T02:15:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ys women, maybe, but Ys guys are all in Chicago. Anything about yutes? ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/17 "2016-07-18T03:02:11Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Anything about yutes? Or Yoopers? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/18 "2016-07-18T03:18:05Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > But my Ys live in Wyoming. Wy? ---
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/19 "2016-07-18T16:44:57Z")
Hummm. Here is more on being an “X”… “19. Where sex and/or gender information is collected and recorded in a personal record, individuals should be given the option to select M (male), F (female) or X (Indeterminate/Intersex/Unspecified).” Above from: Australian Government Guidelines on the Recognition of Sex and Gender [https://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Documents/AustralianGovernmentGuidelinesontheRecognitionofSexandGender/AustralianGovernmentGuidelinesontheRecognitionofSexandGender.PDF](https://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Documents/AustralianGovernmentGuidelinesontheRecognitionofSexandGender/AustralianGovernmentGuidelinesontheRecognitionofSexandGender.PDF) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140/20 "2016-07-18T16:51:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Why would I want to change my gender in Virginia? I live in Texas. If you’re planning on a multi-state crime spree, this would throw the authorities off your trail. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-designation-change-request/760140.md?page=2)