Gender discrimination: What endeavors are closed to men?

Cite?

The vast majority of states default to joint custody when custody is contested. I actually know three men right now who have sole custody.

I think you need to distinguish between joint legal custody and joint physical custody.

Huh? If there’s one sure-fire way to get a family law judge on your side it’s for the other side to fail to comply with time-sharing or other court orders.

You may be unfamiliar with these; they are legal terms. :slight_smile:

See e.g. Legal vs. Physical Child Custody | DivorceNet

Can you kindly provide a citation that in cases where custody is disputed and where the father has spent equal or more time than the mother providing childcare that sole custody of any sort is regularly granted to the mother?

No.

OTOH I’ve not made that claim, so there’s no need to cite it.

Cite? How about this?
Mothers are more than four times more likely to get sole physical custody than the father.

And now you’re gay. Mhmmmmm…

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Mothers are more than four times likely to HAVE physical custody. But that doesn’t mean they are four times more likely to be awarded physical custody in contested cases where the father has a credible claim. I’m not counting cases where the father did not ask for custody to begin with, nor cases where the father did not serve as a primary caregiver and is not awarded custody on that basis. What I want to see is contested cases where the man does not get custody soley because he is a man.

You’ll note that 1 in 6 custodial parents is male. That, to me, seems to point to the fact that courts don’t just routinely bar fathers from having custody.

Mammographer and masseuse have already been mentioned. There’s also certain retail stores that hire mainly females such as lingerie shops, Dairy Queen, and Baskin Robbins. Also, most babysitters are female, and some people insist on a female piano teacher for their children.

“Masseuse” isn’t remotely true. 16-17% of the membership in the two largest massage therapy professional organizations are men. Search | MassageTherapy.com

I have 3 friends who graduated from massage school a few years ago. Two are men, one is a woman.

IIRC their classes were fairly mixed, gender-wise.

We had more men than women in my massage class 10 years ago, by about that same ratio. I suspect, for whatever reason, that men are less likely to join the (completely voluntary) professional organizations of that industry, and are underrepresented in those numbers.

But even if not, even if your friends and my class where unusually high in men, it’s still clearly not a career closed to men. Given the Hollywood portrayals of the hunky male massage therapists working on bored rich housewives, I’m not sure where the idea came from that men don’t do that job.

Why on earth would ice-cream places have majority female staff? Every DQ I’ve ever been to across several states and provinces has both male and female staff, and the one closest to me now has almost all young men working there.

I was granted sole custody of my kids in a contested divorce … back in 1994 !!! The judge determined that both parents were of equal capability but I had temporary custody, the judge didn’t want to move the kids around.

It was amazing … all of society begged and graveled at my feet … my every mis-step, treason or high crime was quickly forgiven …

One female HR director “A single father of three, well if anyone needs a $25 an hour job, it’s YOU … can you start tomorrow?”

My nephew has just finished 3rd grade; their main teacher (homeroom teacher I think would be the name in the US?) was a dude with a degree in Phys Ed. Kid wrote him a rap - I haven’t heard the whole thing and doubt I’d be able to do so with a straight face, but according to two separate sources, there was a bit along the lines of “if I could I’d stay with you until I left for college”.

He and his sister happened to have the same preschool teacher: the teachers stay with the class for all three years of preschool, and the kids are three years apart. Both love the hell out of Carlos. The parents love the hell out of Carlos. The aunts and uncles and grandparents love the hell out of Carlos. I think the only one who complains about Carlos sometimes is Carlos’ mother, who considers his wife doesn’t feed him enough…

I would like to believe that supervising the girl’s shower room at the high school gym would be restricted to women only … there’s no biological reason a man couldn’t do this job as well if not better than a woman

My high school gym teacher was a lesbian. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but if your motivation is to keep leering adults away from nubile young women, restricting jobs by gender is not going to work real well.

It comes from the reality that In Real Life, relatively few females and relatively few straight males care to have a hunky male man-handling their precious bodies. Unless, of course, said male is a friend or lover (obviously), or sufficiently young and gorgeous.

I am a CMT, although I didn’t get much into the paid professional biz, but I hovered around the fringes for a while. (And yes, I joined one of those professional organizations.) I knew another middle-aged couple who were both in the business (one of them did Watsu). This was in Sonoma County, adjacent to Napa County, two hotbeds of day spas, mud baths, massage, and general bodily hedonism. He claimed that only the young gorgeous female bods and male hunks could actually get work in the spas all around there. (AND that the spa owners routinely stole all their tips.)

It seemed true from what I could tell. For the most part, only gay men wanted male masseurs massaging them. A few women around seemed to like having sufficiently gorgeous young male hunks massaging them.

ETA: The class I took, a professional class that supplied practitioners to spas all around the Sonoma/Napa/Calistoga area, had 17 students, of which only 4 were male. The chief instructor (an older female who had been in the biz for umpty-ump years) remarked that it was rare to have more than one male, if any, in a class. The females in the class were conspicuously unenthusiastic about pairing up with a male for the practice sessions, except for two of them that worked with the males a lot and seemed comfortable with that. And this was in a supervised classroom setting!

Is this remark just pandering to the stereotype that gays (lesbians included) are pervy pedos?

Do you imagine that gay males are in 7th heaven when they find themselves showering in a room full of other bare nekkid males? I had a gay friend who assured me that such isn’t the case, and I got the sense that he probably wasn’t just talking about himself.

Now I can readily imagine a straight male getting well jazzed if he could watch a class full of nubile teen-age girls showering, no matter how civilly he might manage to comport himself outwardly. We still wouldn’t tolerate that.

But I don’t picture an adult lesbian getting all jazzed up if she watched a class full of girls showering. Am I wrong?