# Gender, race, and other issues (split off from Doper Demographics thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091 "2022-09-07T00:09:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/321 "2022-10-29T20:41:17Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > It’s just tiresome seeing white men get all the blame for faults that are demonstrably universal Now, now, this isn’t accurate - there’s plenty of blame to spare for Karens too. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/322 "2022-10-29T20:43:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Now, now, this isn’t accurate - there’s plenty of blame to spare for Karens too. The term 'karen" is misogynist, bigoted and hurtful. I am surprised you are using it . ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/323 "2022-10-29T20:47:42Z")
Do you have an alternate term you would approve of? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/324 "2022-10-29T20:50:26Z")
Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/325 "2022-10-29T20:51:17Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Me too. Posting here changed my opinions _considerably_. I understand why I’m here: I think a lot of the folks here are interesting, and I have good conversations here. But given your petulant dislike of most of us, why on earth do you keep coming back? Since January, every single one of your posts on the board has been, in some form, fussing about this community. Does this intermittent scolding of folks whom you don’t like (and who don’t much care for your persistent transphobic posts) really give you that much joy? Or are you having trouble quitting us? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/326 "2022-10-29T20:53:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The term 'karen" is misogynist, bigoted and hurtful. I am surprised you are using it . _You_ posted this, so I don’t think it unreasonable to ask you for an alternate term…unless your proposal is that we not refer to people that overreact in that manner at all. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/327 "2022-10-29T20:58:16Z")
If I say “bitch” is misogynist, bigoted and hurtful, I do not have to come up with an alternate term. No alternate term is needed by me. I have got thru life quite nicely without using that term. Why do _you_ _need_ it so badly? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/328 "2022-10-29T21:03:13Z")
I never said I did-bad assumption on your part, it would seem. I merely asked if you had a preferred term for the seemingly increasing number of people that are overreacting to anything that disturbs their sense of self-entitlement/self-importance. I am open to suggestions. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/329 "2022-10-29T21:51:38Z")
If there’s anything we should learn from intersectionality, it’s that no, your identity as a marginalized person on Axis A doesn’t mean you don’t need to examine your own behaviors. I’m genderqueer, and psychiatrically labeled, but I’m also male, white, English-speaking, decently well-educated, fluent in the behaviors and speech nuances of the upper middle professional class, and able-bodied. I could be participating in anyone’s oppression. Yours, for instance. It’s not about blaming white men for everything. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/330 "2022-10-30T06:16:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The term 'karen" is misogynist, bigoted and hurtful. It’s neither misogynist nor bigoted. Because “bigotry” in direct response to bigots isn’t a thing, and it’s a response to hateful things the women have done, not merely because they’re women. Also I’m happy to concede you can get some male Karens, too. Sure, it’s hurtful. Is your contention that hateful bullies should be shielded from hurt from the response to their hatred, themselves? > [@DrDeth](#): > > I am surprised you are using it . Maybe I don’t fit into whatever neat box you had for me, guy. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/331 "2022-10-30T06:20:34Z")
It’s almost as if calling people out for what they do is different from calling people out for what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/332 "2022-10-30T07:57:29Z")
I have an alternative, but this is not the forum in which to post it. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/333 "2022-10-30T13:07:15Z")
This has been heading out of ATMB territory and towards Pit territory for some time now. I think we’re done here. If you want to take pot-shots at each other, do so in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/334 "2022-10-30T13:07:21Z")
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