# General counsel for Hillary's campaign announces that the campaign will participate in recounts. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 26, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068 "2016-11-26T18:19:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/61 "2016-11-29T20:28:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > AFAIK, they have not released a list of Green Party recount contributors. How do you know perfectly well that Team Hillary hasn’t donated to the Green Party fund? Prove me wrong, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/62 "2016-11-29T20:31:02Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > AFAIK, they have not released a list of Green Party recount contributors. How do you know perfectly well that Team Hillary hasn’t donated to the Green Party fund? Maybe Trump’s Russian Gangster Buddies are contributing. So people will assume the money’s from Hillary. Even if she’s lost the election, it’s never too late to make her look bad. If you’re going to fantasize about Secret Conspiracies, show some imagination! Of course, the one who looks the _worst_ right now is Tweeting Donald… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/63 "2016-11-29T20:43:27Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > I’m not sure what exactly is so difficult to understand about this. Still waiting for your cites of Democrats being consistently responsible in asking for recounts in elections that they won. But thanks for the Hillary quote. A good example of what I said - the recount will change nothing, achieve nothing, and cost a lot of money to do it - but at least some other sore loser is going ahead, so Hillary will join in. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > … recounting the votes is seen as undermining the election and not accepting the results. Seen by whom? Marc Elias says that the NC recount is an attack on North Carolina voters and undermining the democratic process. ([Cite](http://freebeacon.com/politics/marc-elias-hypocrite-election-recounts/).) Is that also the case for Jill Stein and Hillary Clinton? McCrory loses by 4,772 votes. Late on election night, 90,000 absentee ballots come in and shift the election to his opponent, from a county already under criminal investigation for its primary election ([cite](https://yourdailyjournal.com/wire/state-wire/53710/the-latest-sbi-investigates-durham-county-primary-election)). Do you think the protest against this is undermining the election? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/64 "2016-11-29T20:44:31Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > How do you know perfectly well that Team Hillary hasn’t donated to the Green Party fund? Two can play at that game: How do we know perfectly well that Team Donald hasn’t donated, as part of his plan to inoculate himself so that he can make much more ridiculous and bombastic challenges to the vote when he loses the next time. (Oh wait, he’s doing that already even though he won!) With the sort of logic being used by certain people in this thread, it is no wonder that Texas Republican’s opposed the teaching of critical thinking skills: [http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-06-27/gop-opposes-critical-thinking/](http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-06-27/gop-opposes-critical-thinking/) ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/65 "2016-11-29T20:47:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Still waiting for your cites of Democrats being consistently responsible in asking for recounts in elections that they won. Who ever in the history of humanity has asked for recounts in elections that they won?!?! (Although The Donald’s claim of massive voter fraud in an election that he won is sort of a puzzling step in that direction.) Perhaps next you will be complaining that sports teams never challenge rulings of officials that went in their direction? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/66 "2016-11-29T20:50:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > But thanks for the Hillary quote. A good example of what I said - the recount will change nothing, achieve nothing, and cost a lot of money to do it - but at least some other sore loser is going ahead, so Hillary will join in. If the Republicans send observers, have they also joined in? I know you’ll conveniently avoid responding, but I do like the question being on record. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/67 "2016-11-29T20:59:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Seen by whom? Marc Elias says that the NC recount is an attack on North Carolina voters and undermining the democratic process. ([Cite](http://freebeacon.com/politics/marc-elias-hypocrite-election-recounts/).) Actually, Marc Elias used that language in reference to a lawsuit that is seeking to get votes disqualified, or as he put it, to “disenfranchise legally registered voters” after the Republicans had already tried to disenfranchise them through an election law that was partially blocked by the courts ([https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/cooper-democrats-pressuring-gov-mccrory-to-concede/2016/11/21/c6a30ba0-b04c-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/cooper-democrats-pressuring-gov-mccrory-to-concede/2016/11/21/c6a30ba0-b04c-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7_story.html)). You might try using REAL news sources to get your information. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/68 "2016-11-29T21:21:59Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > Who ever in the history of humanity has asked for recounts in elections that they won?!?! Certainly not Democrats. Therefore, your claim that they were consistent in their concerns must not be true. > [@](#): > > Actually, Marc Elias used that language in reference to a lawsuit that is seeking to get votes disqualified… Actually Elias referenced the election results directly in calling for McCrory to concede. And Elias is lying - he just doesn’t want same-day registrations to be verified, because then his client might lose. Again, nothing to do with fairness or a concern for accurate votes. So he isn’t being consistent either. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/69 "2016-11-29T21:31:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Prove me wrong, buddy. Hahahaha. You haven’t proven that you are correct. It’s still your move, grasshopper. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/70 "2016-11-29T21:47:04Z")
for historical reference - > [@CarnalK](#): > > I understand it’s fun to poke the “liberals” but could we stop bullshitting? You know perfectly well Hillary is not raising funds for the recount. So maybe, stop saying that? (underline added) for historical reference - > [@doorhinge](#): > > AFAIK, they have not released a list of Green Party recount contributors. How do you know perfectly well that Team Hillary hasn’t donated to the Green Party fund? (underline added) > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Maybe Trump’s Russian Gangster Buddies are contributing. So people will assume the money’s from Hillary. Even if she’s lost the election, it’s never too late to make her look bad. > > If you’re going to fantasize about Secret Conspiracies, show some imagination! (post shortened) Hahahaha, tell **CarnalK** about your fantasy theory. He’s the one who claims to know perfectly well that Team Hillary is not raising funds for the recount. Do you think, maybe, he should stop saying that until he offers you some proof? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/71 "2016-11-29T21:50:24Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You haven’t proven that you are correct. It’s still your move, grasshopper. Whatever, young Skywalker. The money came from a bunch of online donations. I don’t have to prove the money didn’t come from the Clinton campaign, you have to prove it did. They would be required to declare the expenditure and they are currently saying they are uninvolved. So you’re just wrong. But keep up the "hahaha"s. It’s soooo convincing. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/72 "2016-11-29T21:58:11Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Why would this mean anything about “even landslides could be recounted”? Firstly, the MI, WI and PA results weren’t landslides. Secondly, the options being used now were always available for any type of result. You always seem to make such silly uninformed comments. The statement “even landslides could be recounted” means exactly that. That “even landslides COULD be recounted”. This isn’t rocket surgery. Have you found a list of the Green Party recount donators, yet? You claimed that Team Hillary didn’t donate. I only asked for clarification of your claim. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/73 "2016-11-29T22:12:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The statement “even landslides could be recounted” means exactly that. That “even landslides COULD be recounted”. This isn’t rocket surgery. > > Have you found a list of the Green Party recount donators, yet? > > You claimed that Team Hillary didn’t donate. I only asked for clarification of your claim. There is no evidence that the Hillary campaign donated. They have explicitly said they don’t advocate for a recount. Maybe Romney donated all the money. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/74 "2016-11-29T22:26:10Z")
I shall repeat the oft-forgotten concept: There is no such thing as the popular vote. It is meaningless in the voting system used in the US. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/75 "2016-11-29T22:35:12Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I shall repeat the oft-forgotten concept: There is no such thing as the popular vote. It is meaningless in the voting system used in the US. wow. You just blew our minds. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/76 "2016-11-29T22:35:43Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I shall repeat the oft-forgotten concept: There is no such thing as the popular vote. It is meaningless in the voting system used in the US. The concept as expressed needs some refinement. There is no such thing as a popular vote _for president_ in the American system, and even that’s not strictly correct because while the majority of \*citizen \*votes doesn’t apply, the majority of \*elector \*votes (i.e. the “popular vote” among the electors, with each elector given equal weight) does. It’s the same mechanic, only the electorate (i.e. the group of people who get to vote) is different. Officially, the presidential election hasn’t even happened yet. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/77 "2016-11-29T22:38:27Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > There is no evidence that the Hillary campaign donated. They have explicitly said they don’t advocate for a recount. Maybe Romney donated all the money. Hahahaha. Maybe Romney did. There is no evidence either way. Why? Because the Green Party hasn’t released their donators list. However, you’re the one who said, “_You know perfectly well Hillary is not raising funds for the recount. So maybe, stop saying that_”. Your claim that there is no evidence that the Hillary campaign donated to the recount is similar to a blind person saying, “As far as I can see, Hillary has done nothing wrong”. Get it? A blind person saying they can “see”. Even a blind person can see that the Green Party hasn’t released their contributors list and wouldn’t/shouldn’t/couldn’t say with any degree of certainty, or perfectly well, that the as-of-now-unreleased list proves who didn’t contribute. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/78 "2016-11-29T22:40:47Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Maybe Romney did. There is no evidence either way. Why? Because the Green Party hasn’t released their donators list. However, you’re the one who said, “_You know perfectly well Hillary is not raising funds for the recount. So maybe, stop saying that_”. > > Your claim that there is no evidence that the Hillary campaign donated to the recount is similar to a blind person saying, “As far as I can see, Hillary has done nothing wrong”. Get it? A blind person saying they can “see”. Even a blind person can see that the Green Party hasn’t released their contributors list and wouldn’t/shouldn’t/couldn’t say with any degree of certainty, or perfectly well, that the as-of-now-unreleased list proves who didn’t contribute. No, it’s not similar to that. The Hillary campaign is not donating to the recount effort. Prove me wrong. In fact, you don’t even have to prove me wrong: just point to one remotely reliable newsite that even suggests the Hillary campaign is helping pay for the recount. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/79 "2016-11-29T23:05:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, it’s not similar to that. The Hillary campaign is not donating to the recount effort. Prove me wrong. In fact, you don’t even have to prove me wrong: just point to one remotely reliable newsite that even suggests the Hillary campaign is helping pay for the recount. Hahahaha. I have no idea who did, or did not, donate to the Green Party’s recount effort. But then, I never claimed to know who did, or didn’t, donate. You’re the one who said, “_You know perfectly well Hillary is not raising funds for the recount. So maybe, stop saying that_”. You’re the one who claims he knows perfectly well Hillary is not raising funds for the recount. I’m only asking for clarification of your statement. HOW do you know perfectly well that Hillary, or Team Hillary, did or did not donate to the recount effort? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-counsel-for-hillarys-campaign-announces-that-the-campaign-will-participate-in-recounts/773068/80 "2016-11-29T23:15:39Z")
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