# General outlet for steaming about TubaDiva's unprofessionalism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 24, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006 "2006-04-24T16:52:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/1 "2006-04-24T16:52:53Z")
Starting in [this now-closed thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=367256), **TubaDiva** posts a cryptic [remark](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7297344&postcount=58) about “more better stuff coming” wink wink nudge nudge, but she can’t say any more about it. **Catsix** [says](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7298516&postcount=180), basically, “We’ve heard this before. It never happened, did it?” Hilarity does not ensue. Then came [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368485) in ATMB, asking about the history of their interactions. I wanted to reply to this thread, and while I feel my reply is mostly civil and sticks to the point, there are a few comments that may be over the line in ATMB and **Carnal K** has already been warned in the other one. Maybe there’s a need for this, so here I am. > [@What Exit?](#): > > I was reading and participating in that thread real time. \*\*CatSix’s \*\* post looked very snarky to me and designed to be confrontational, \*\*Tuba \*\* responded in a way, I would classify as “pissed off”. To me it was a mutual spitting match and as I posted in the original thread, I thought they were both very snarky towards each other. Plus the entire episode was kind of a side subject to the (to me) well deserved banning of DrMark2000. > As I said earlier in this thread, I understand your point of view, I read it differently as a back and forth that escalated between \*\*TubaDiva \*\* and **CatSix**. I keep reading this same sentiment in many different forms: “They’re even,” “they were just going back and forth,” “it was just a pissing match between two people,” etc. And the thing is – no, it wasn’t. **TubaDiva** is an administrator who wields quite a lot of power. **Catsix** is a paying customer, basically here as long as the folks in charge feel inclined. They are not equal, in any sense of the word. Whether **Catsix** had a valid point is nearly irrelevant to me: The point is this is yet the latest entry in **TubaDiva** ’s magnum opus, “How to act unprofessionally for fun and profit.” When I go to a fancy restaurant, if someone else has a problem, I expect the waitstaff and the managers to find a way to minimize or eliminate the disruption to both that customer as well as everyone else in the place. When I go to _McDonalds_, if someone has a problem, I expect the counter staff and the managers to find a way to minimize or eliminate the disruption in much the same manner. In neither of those places, nor in any similar venue, do I expect a manager to get into a pissing match with a customer **no matter who’s right**. They’re not even. **Catsix** , as much as **TubaDiva** may want to “promise” otherwise, is a paying customer for the moment. **TubaDiva** is an administrator, and the only one directly involved with this board and posting on a daily basis who is paid for whatever it is she does (as far as I am aware). As **C K Dexter Haven** points out, sometimes actions affect more than those they’re directed toward. All I know is when I’m in a restaurant, and the managers handle an irate customer quickly and efficiently, as they do probably 99% of the time, I appreciate the place more. When a manager gets in a pissing match with a customer, even only one percent of the time? Those I remember, and my respect for that business is greatly diminished. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/2 "2006-04-24T17:14:32Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > **TubaDiva** is an administrator who wields quite a lot of power. **Catsix** is a paying customer, basically here as long as the folks in charge feel inclined. They are not equal, in any sense of the word. Some people have trouble accepting that mods and administrators are also just board members. I’ve never had that problem. You seem to be implying that getting into an argument with a mod puts you at greater risk for being warned or banned, like they’re going to ban you just for disagreeing. I’ve never seen that, and I don’t know why people make that insinuation. > [@](#): > > When I go to a fancy restaurant, if someone else has a problem, I expect the waitstaff and the managers to find a way to minimize or eliminate the disruption to both that customer as well as everyone else in the place. That’s a fair point, but this is a message board and people come here to talk. The conversations are the reason the business exists, not a distraction from the food. And if I may exaggerate, nobody ever seems interested in settling a dispute with a mod in private. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/3 "2006-04-24T17:15:56Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > **TubaDiva** is an administrator, and the only one directly involved with this board and posting on a daily basis who is paid for whatever it is she does (as far as I am aware). I don’t think that they get paid, or at least that was the impression I was under. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/4 "2006-04-24T17:23:26Z")
What about [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368354) thread? HeyHomie says > [@](#): > > What’s This Business about Wally Faking His Death? > In at least two threads in ATMB, passing mention is made of the fact that WallyM7’s death may have been greatly exaggerated. > > I haven’t been around this SDMB much lately, so I’ll admit I might have missed something. What’s the evidence for this assertion? Tuba responds with [this snarky post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7322235&postcount=8). HeyHomie replies with > [@](#): > > Please forgive me for whatever it is that invited such snarkiness. Like I said, I haven’t spent much time at these boards lately and these allegations about the WallyM7 affair were pretty shocking to me. Sorry I brought it up. Tuba came back with > [@](#): > > Snarky? You think this is snarky? > > I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and answer what I thought was a legitimate question without slamming you over the fences like a softball. > > Then again, perhaps you’re just stirring the pot of controversy for the sake of being a dick, in which case _I_ am being the nimrod here. Which, gee whiz, is also possible, now that you mention it. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been fooled. Maybe not even the first time today. > > TubaDiva > Who deleted a lot of really snarky things before she hit the send button. And follows it up with > [@](#): > > Let me try this again. > > Look, I answered the question – more than once, and in quite a civil manner. > > Apparently not to his satisfaction; in fact, it sounds a lot like he preferred to shoot the messenger because he didn’t like the answers he got. > > It’s too bad that “Wally” – whoever the heck he might have been – didn’t live up to other people’s expectations here. It’s obvious some people really take that to heart. It’s also too bad these disappointed people can’t get face to face with who should be the real object of their agita – namely, “Wally” – and not the staff. Seriously, wtf? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/5 "2006-04-24T17:25:11Z")
> [@Translucent Daydream](#): > > I don’t think that they get paid, or at least that was the impression I was under. **TubaDiva** does. The other admins and mods don’t, except for the coffee mug. ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/6 "2006-04-24T17:26:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You seem to be implying that getting into an argument with a mod puts you at greater risk for being warned or banned, like they’re going to ban you just for disagreeing. I’ve never seen that, and I don’t know why people make that insinuation. I would say that [Tuba’s quote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7299162&postcount=188) in that thread doesn’t do much to dispel the idea that arguing with a mod could bring on the ban stick: > [@tubadiva](#): > > There’s much I’d like to promise you for your dishonest words and your overall nasty ways. I promise you I’ll try to overlook all that. Sure, we could argue about what exactly she means here but I just can’t help but feel that was said with an angry sneer, in an “I’ll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!” tone. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/7 "2006-04-24T17:30:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Then again, perhaps you’re just stirring the pot of controversy for the sake of being a dick, in which case _I_ am being the nimrod here. Which, gee whiz, is also possible, now that you mention it. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been fooled. Maybe not even the first time today. This is really out of line, for an answer to an innocent question posted in ATMB. I don’t know much about the unprofessionalism, I don’t pay attention to the politics around this place, but if this is the way the admins treat the customers it’s no wonder everyone is so upset. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/8 "2006-04-24T18:30:25Z")
> [@kimera](#): > > What about [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368354) thread? I did see that thread as it unfolded, and like everybody else, I took **Hey Homie** ’s comments in earnest. I have no idea what the fuck the problem was there. I followed some of the **Tuba** / **catsix** stuff at the time, but haven’t read every single bit of it. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/9 "2006-04-24T18:48:37Z")
While I would readily acknowledge her general possessiveness, inconsistency, territorialism, capriciousness, and not-so-closeted authoritarianism - seriously folks, this is not some new development. Some may recall similar behavior on the old AOL SD boards - I’m talking last century. The notion that she is some unappreciated martyr toiling away thanklessly for our sins has always been a shameless joke. Term limits! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/10 "2006-04-24T18:53:05Z")
> [@kimera](#): > > What about [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368354) thread? > > HeyHomie says > > Tuba responds with [this snarky post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7322235&postcount=8). > … > Seriously, wtf? I think you’re correct on that thread. I couldn’t figure out what got under \*\*TubaDiva’s \*\* Skin in that one. It looked like an honest inquiry. **Garfield226** I stand by what I said in two threads now. Pissing contest is a good description as it turned into a pissing and moaning afterwords. A lot of people did not see \*\*CatSix \*\* as a particularly aggrieved party anymore than **TubaDiva**. I think \*\*Kimera \*\* found a much better example if you want to complain about \*\*TubaDiva \*\* being too touchy lately. I know she has only been polite and courteous with me, so that is why I was wondering if there was any past history. From what I understand, \*\*CatSix \*\* is known to stir the pot a bit. I still know nothing about \*\*Hey Homie \*\* and so I am still baffled. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/11 "2006-04-24T19:02:13Z")
TubaDiva is not going anywhere. Nor are TPTB interested in doing changing things. The SDMB is her baby and she’s done a lot of thankless work behind the scenes here. I believe she gets some small check for what is truly some administrative work here (as opposed to other admins) and she’s the one that handles a lot of the customer e-mail traffic\*. The SDMB is a lost cause for The Reader and should Ed fire her, who will take the load she’s carried? For almost no pay? No one, is my WAG. So, they cut her more than a little slack. They let her get away with a quite unprofessional 'tude. They let her be rude, snarky and generally a… well jerk is a description that seems pretty apt. And since this is her baby, she’ll defend it, tooth and claw, and like mama bear defending her cub, there’s no point in appealing to reason. Her posting indicates that she’s under a lot of strain and her temper flashes quite rapidly. I could take that if she could just once apologize, but no, that’s not about to happen. And after the ATMB thread where someone quoted her and asked for clarification, she posted: > [@TubaDiva](#): > > Don’t put words in my mouth, please; I can do that fine by myself and do not need assistance. > > TubaDiva Well… Is quoting TubaDiva the same as putting words in her mouth? Whatever. Pitting her is not gonna do any good though. We’ll just hae to accept that the maitre’d at this place is a jerk. As long as the guests are nice and the food good, maybe we can live with that. \*only, for some reason she doesn’t answer my e-mails. Not that it’s important anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/12 "2006-04-24T19:17:35Z")
But it doesn’t matter if they’re equivalent in, uh, let’s say temperment, or moral authority. It’s **Tuba** ’s job, for which she apparently receives renumeration, to make the waters as smooth as possible for the rest of us. And getting into a public pissing match is per se a failure of that responsibility. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/13 "2006-04-24T19:26:30Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > When I go to a fancy restaurant, if someone else has a problem, I expect the waitstaff and the managers to find a way to minimize or eliminate the disruption to both that customer as well as everyone else in the place… The SDMB Chop House Menu **Starters** 1. **Escargot and Mushroom Caps in Vinegar…$8.49** _This fresh dish requires much preparation. Please ask your server for an approximate time frame before ordering._ 2. **Our Famous Wish Sandwich…$2.99** _Two warm rhubarb biscuits. Wish for whatever meat you want. The options are limitless, but they’ll go unheeded_ **Entrees** 1. **Rack of Feline with Horseradish Crust and Red Wine Jus Lie…$19.99** _Six trimmed cat ribs, ground pepper, spicy horseradish seved in a red wine & scallot jus lie sauce. If we say it’s jus lie…it is._ 2. **Bang Banned Chicken with Crushed Pineapples and Succotash…$16.99** _A house favorite. Requested by more customers than anything else we’ve ever dished up._ **Dessert** **Humble Pie…$2.99** _Sorry, but even if you claim to be too full from your meal, we’ll be bringing you out a slice garnished with sour grapes and force feed it to you if necessary._ ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/14 "2006-04-24T19:29:03Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > **TubaDiva** does. The other admins and mods don’t, except for the coffee mug. Nice to know, I guess I learn something new everyday. That does put a whole new spin on it then. Hmmph. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/15 "2006-04-24T19:47:30Z")
Oh, goodie. We’re still doing this. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/16 "2006-04-24T20:18:19Z")
> [@](#): > > **What Exit?** said: > From what I understand, CatSix is known to stir the pot a bit. So it doesn’t matter one iota that I was right, that I didn’t lie or say anything dishonest, and that I didn’t make with a bunch of insults in that post, it’s that from what you understand I stir the pot that makes you think I was being an asshole? The only person I saw in that thread who said anything about me stirring a pot was the person who’d like to promise me things. I’m guessing you wouldn’t be calling even-stevens if the exact same words I posted had been put here by someone else? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/17 "2006-04-24T20:35:15Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > So it doesn’t matter one iota that I was right, that I didn’t lie or say anything dishonest, and that I didn’t make with a bunch of insults in that post, it’s that from what you understand I stir the pot that makes you think I was being an asshole? > > The only person I saw in that thread who said anything about me stirring a pot was the person who’d like to promise me things. > > I’m guessing you wouldn’t be calling even-stevens if the exact same words I posted had been put here by someone else? Nope, I didn’t even know you had a rep until recently. When I read your initial post you sounded bitchy. When I read Tuba’s post she sounded bitchy. I had no idea who you were. Now I do. I will still treat your words at face value, that is what I tend to do anyway. You seem to take offense pretty easily if a line like _"From what I understand, CatSix is known to stir the pot a bit. "_ makes you think I am calling you an asshole. I am not. I was not. If lets say Maureen had posted the same thing, a poster I like, know and respect, I still would have thought it was being bitchy. In fact I may have teased her more as I feel I could get away with being snarkier with a poster I am friendly with. Jim {Maureen please excuse me for using your name in vain, its just that you were the prior poster to catsix. } ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/18 "2006-04-24T20:38:36Z")
You know, **What Exit?** , it sounds a lot like you are completely ignoring the contents of posts and making a judgment based on their “tone”. WTF? The fact is catsix made a legit point then Tuba called her a shit-stirring liar. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/19 "2006-04-24T20:48:10Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > TubaDiva is not going anywhere. Nor are TPTB interested in doing changing things. > > The SDMB is her baby and she’s done a lot of thankless work behind the scenes here. I believe she gets some small check for what is truly some administrative work here (as opposed to other admins) and she’s the one that handles a lot of the customer e-mail traffic\*. The SDMB is a lost cause for The Reader and should Ed fire her, who will take the load she’s carried? For almost no pay? No one, is my WAG. > > So, they cut her more than a little slack. They let her get away with a quite unprofessional 'tude. They let her be rude, snarky and generally a… well jerk is a description that seems pretty apt. > > And since this is her baby, she’ll defend it, tooth and claw, and like mama bear defending her cub, there’s no point in appealing to reason. Her posting indicates that she’s under a lot of strain and her temper flashes quite rapidly. I could take that if she could just once apologize, but no, that’s not about to happen. This aspect surfaced during the Stage Manager incident, where TPTB admitted that **TubaDiva** does get paid, that she does jobs vital to the board’s functioning, and that yes, they knew she was carrying a helluva load. In response, based on my own experience of being an overloaded “indispensable” employee, I strongly urged TPTB to get someone onboard who could take some of the load off **Tuba** – for the good of her, the board, and all its members. The response to that was, yeh, we realize that and we’re working on it. But have TPTB done anything to make her life easier? Based on the ATMB quick-fire snarkiness that’s being pitted here, I suspect Jenny hasn’t gotten any relief from the load she’s carrying. Which is bad for her, for the board, and especially for anyone who happens to set off her doubtless frayed and frazzled temper. Okay, so you run a board with the resources you have, not the resources you wish you had – but dammit, staying status quo on this is doing no one any good. If **TubaDiva** is indeed still carrying the same load, she needs backup and she needs it now. Please note: This is not an apologist’s excusing of bad behavior, but an attempt to figure out the (or a) root of the problem and propose a possible (partial?) solution. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/20 "2006-04-24T20:49:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You know, **What Exit?** , it sounds a lot like you are completely ignoring the contents of posts and making a judgment based on their “tone”. WTF? The fact is catsix made a legit point then Tuba called her a shit-stirring liar. I reread that post 180 again. Still sounds bitchy. But this is what I posted then right before TubaDiva Posted. my post is 187, Tubadiva’s is post 188. > [@What Exit?](#): > > If what catsix is saying has been true in the past, then it is fair for her to bring it up. I can’t prove or Disprove her claims, I haven’t been around long enough. I like the board fine without promised improvements {though less time outs would be welcomed}. > **catsix shouldn’t be challenged just for challenging TubaDiva** , she should be challenged if what she said, doesn’t have merit. > So Come on Charter Members and 99’ers, is catsix basically right or is she wrong on her points? > > Jim {I hope this doesn’t put me on Tuba’s bad side, I am afraid of jackboots, just hoping for clarification} My Bolding So, no I think Catsix was being bitchie but I asked for clarification and partially defended catsix. I think I was being fair. Her initial points proved nothing. I’m not sure what you are accusing me of, but you already have called me either a moron or a brown noser. Strange way of brown Nosing, saying that Tuba was Bitchy. I really think you, CatSix, Wring and a few others are making “Much Ado about Nothing”. Look at the post Kimera provided if you want to see an unexplained attacked. Jim [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006.md?page=2)