# General outlet for steaming about TubaDiva's unprofessionalism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 24, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006 "2006-04-24T16:52:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/201 "2006-04-26T00:43:36Z")
It’s nice that, after having to put up with an hour of non-stop whining, name calling, and inanity by my 2 and 5 year old, I can pop in here and see firsthand that there are “grownups” who lack my daughters’ good sense and emotional maturity. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/202 "2006-04-26T00:51:06Z")
I agree wholeheartedly with Aholibah as well, but differ on one point: I will not be renewing my subscription. As a free board, I had no complaints, but as a paying customer, I have different expectation about appropriate behaviour for an admin, and I’m not willing to further contribute funds to a board whose representative often displays contempt for members who ask valid questions. It was suggested that anyone unhappy with the service should leave, and indeed, that’s what I intend to do. I do, however, think it is appropriate for a dissatisfied customer to tell a business _why_ they are unhappy with the service before they leave. (I also expect a few “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!” replies.) I like Ed’s column, and I generally like and respect the mods, admin, and membership here, but the money spent here can be spent at other places where I feel that the customer’s patronage is not taken for granted. Dion ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/203 "2006-04-26T00:53:15Z")
> [@Aholibah](#): > > She, sir. > > I mean, ma’am. D’oh, sorry 'bout that! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/204 "2006-04-26T00:54:53Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > I will not be renewing my subscription. > > As a free board, I had no complaints, but as a paying customer, I have different expectation about appropriate behaviour for an admin, and I’m not willing to further contribute funds to a board whose representative often displays contempt for members who ask valid questions. > > It was suggested that anyone unhappy with the service should leave, and indeed, that’s what I intend to do. I do, however, think it is appropriate for a dissatisfied customer to tell a business _why_ they are unhappy with the service before they leave. (I also expect a few “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!” replies.) And I can completely respect this post. I can understand why folks disagree with the admins, even if the complaints seem meritless to me. And you phrased them in a calm, respectful fashion; and you put your money where your mouth is. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/205 "2006-04-26T01:27:28Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > This is just as well. I want a woman more like Jewel Staite and less like Livvy Soprano. > > Daniel OOOooooh, can we hijack this into a Firefly appreciation thread? We can all agree on that, right? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/206 "2006-04-26T01:31:58Z")
> [@Richard Parker](#): > > OOOooooh, can we hijack this into a Firefly appreciation thread? We can all agree on that, right? Never saw the show. The cultishness of its fans could indicate that it was very good, or it could just be a sign that they’re obsessive nerds. Not enough of a TV-watcher to care. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/207 "2006-04-26T01:38:31Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > And I can completely respect this post. I can understand why folks disagree with the admins, even if the complaints seem meritless to me. And you phrased them in a calm, respectful fashion; and you put your money where your mouth is. > > Daniel See Danny boy, that’s why people jump your shit…the complaints ALWAYS seems meritless to you. Plus, you go out of your way to tell us how meritless they are. If you can’t understand that, then you’ll never understand why people bitch, piss and moan about the way you post. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/208 "2006-04-26T01:58:18Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Never saw the show. The cultishness of its fans could indicate that it was very good, or it could just be a sign that they’re obsessive nerds. Not enough of a TV-watcher to care. The two options are not mutually exclusive. Although, in my case, the quality of the show led me to become an obsessive nerd. Oh, and you’re still wrong about **LHoD** , you too **Xploder**. He has criticized the mods when he thinks they are wrong, and defended them when he thinks they are right. Ain’t nuthin’ wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![Kansas\_Beekeeper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@Kansas\_Beekeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kansas_Beekeeper)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/209 "2006-04-26T02:03:19Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > It’s nice that, after having to put up with an hour of non-stop whining, name calling, and inanity by my 2 and 5 year old, I can pop in here and see firsthand that there are “grownups” who lack my daughters’ good sense and emotional maturity. Agreed. This thread is a prime example of why I’m not renewing. ---
**Author:** ![Hombre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecb155/32.png) [@Hombre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hombre)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/210 "2006-04-26T02:07:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You seem to be implying that getting into an argument with a mod puts you at greater risk for being warned or banned, like they’re going to ban you just for disagreeing. I’ve never seen that, and I don’t know why people make that insinuation. It seemed to have happened here with **Tuba** ’s blessing. **Tuba** ’s take on pissing off the higher powers from 2001. Of interest, [posts 10, 11 and 12.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=95051) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/211 "2006-04-26T02:14:44Z")
> [@Kansas Beekeeper](#): > > Agreed. This thread is a prime example of why I’m not renewing. Yeah, who would have guessed there’d be a thread with childish insults in the Pit? I for one am shocked. Shocked! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/212 "2006-04-26T02:20:27Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > See Danny boy, that’s why people jump your shit…the complaints ALWAYS seems meritless to you. What about earlier in this very thread, he said that **HeyHomie** was owed an apology from **TubaDiva**? > [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Thanks for your advice. I have criticized the admins from time to time; in this case, I agree that Tuba was unnecessarily harsh to Homie. He also criticized **Rico** ’s closing of the drug thread, and the closing of the thread about circumventing China’s firewall. Maybe it’s just that _your_ complaints always seem meritless to him. Which probably says more about the personal differences between the two of you than anything about his attitude towards the moderation of this board. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/213 "2006-04-26T03:32:53Z")
> [@Aholibah](#): > > Since things are being tallied, here, I figured I’d stand up and be counted. I: > > [ul] > [li]generally find **Catsix** abrasive and am frequently irritated by the bitter, angry tone I perceive in her posts[/li][li]am perfectly willing to believe I would love her in real life, but expect to keep disliking her here[/li][li]believe **TubaDiva** was _waaaay_ out of line in her responses to **HeyHomie** and **Catsix** and owes **Catsix** an apology[/li][li]do not expect that any such apology will be forthcoming[/li][li]tend to find myself agreeing with mod/admin actions and appreciating their participation as both posters and board police[/li][li]believe that even moderators whom I generally like and agree with are subject to the occasional lapse of judgement and that a public _mea culpa_ in those cases is both appropriate and beneficial to the continued smooth functioning of the community[/li][li]believe that **TubaDiva** has consistently and unrepentantly conducted herself in an unprofessional manner and is not fit to continue serving as an Administrator of this board[/li][li]don’t expect **TubaDiva** to be relieved of her responsibilities[/li][li]don’t plan to stop participating in this community just because I find the actions of one of its administrators unacceptable to me.[/li][/ul] One more “Amen.” ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/214 "2006-04-26T03:37:18Z")
> [@furt](#): > > One more “Amen.” Or perhaps I should clarify: I am leaving, but **Tuba** is only a very small part of that. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/215 "2006-04-26T04:02:42Z")
Interesting thread, **Hombre**. Apparently, we’ve been bitching about the administration here for a loooong time. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/216 "2006-04-26T04:18:49Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Or perhaps I should clarify: I am leaving, but **Tuba** is only a very small part of that. Hijacking to say that I’m sorry to see you go. Though I disagree with you politically, I’ve never forgotten that you were the first person to welcome me to the SDMB when I finally ventured into a [contentious thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=230084) to make my maiden post. And a girl never forgets her first, especially when it was so gentle and kind. It’s also a shame to see another '99 leave. The oldtimers are a vital part of the board’s culture & history. /end hijack. On topic: FTR, I thought **Tuba** ’s apology to **HeyHomie** was kinda lame, as it was one of those nonapology-apologies: the ol’ “I’m sorry if you thought I was rude” ploy. Meh. Not good enough, at least it wouldn’t be for me. Geeze, she accused him of being a “dick” in **ATMB**. Would’ve gotten her a warning or admonishment, were she anyone but an admin. Finally, as with many others, I agree with **Aholibah** ’s long list above, without exception as far as I could see. Well done, ma’am! ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/217 "2006-04-26T04:20:36Z")
New rule suggestion: Moderators and Administrators may not use a thinly disguised threat of banning as a _personal_ insult. In other words, threats of banning would need to be in context to an offense. Moderators and Administrators shouldn’t make veiled threats _at all_ and must account for them. Rank hath it privileges, but with it comes accountibility also. It really does leave a bad taste in my mouth for a mod to be creepy. If you are pissed off, at least be straight-forward about it. _Don’t be a jerk._ ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/218 "2006-04-26T11:10:58Z")
> [@Richard Parker](#): > > The two options are not mutually exclusive. Although, in my case, the quality of the show led me to become an obsessive nerd. > > Oh, and you’re still wrong about **LHoD** , you too **Xploder**. He has criticized the mods when he thinks they are wrong, and defended them when he thinks they are right. Ain’t nuthin’ wrong with that. Good thing I didn’t say he never criticized the admins/mods then. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/219 "2006-04-26T16:13:43Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Good thing I didn’t say he never criticized the admins/mods then. Well, now I’m just confused. What does this mean, then? > [@Xploder](#): > > See Danny boy, that’s why people jump your shit…the complaints ALWAYS seems meritless to you. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/220 "2006-04-26T17:36:53Z")
OK, after trying to make sense of **Quasimodem’s** thread, I’m ready to say I give all the mods lots more understanding. I’m glad I’m not a mod, it seems thankless, and **Tuba** , do whatever you do as well as you can and I’ll shut up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006.md?page=12)