# General outlet for steaming about TubaDiva's unprofessionalism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 24, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006 "2006-04-24T16:52:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/41 "2006-04-24T21:55:46Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > I think that **Tuba** does owe **catsix** something of an apology too. I would advise you to not hold your breath. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/42 "2006-04-24T22:01:10Z")
> [@](#): > > What Exit: > Good example of her being defensive, but did anything she say really annoy you. It looks valid to me and I tried to help Andrew, though I’m not sure why. Umm, it was just an example to show Tuba perceives offence readily. I don’t really understand your other points there but whatever, I can live with that; feel free to bow out of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/43 "2006-04-24T22:01:51Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > I would advise you to not hold your breath. :eek: ! I’m sure the mods and admins are reading this right now and seriously considering what we say! before totally disregarding it as the usual snark against mods. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/44 "2006-04-24T22:05:18Z")
[My 1st MMP](http://www.tuba.is.nl/tubas/329%20cat%20tuba.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/45 "2006-04-24T22:55:43Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > :eek: ! I’m sure the mods and admins are reading this right now and seriously considering what we say! before totally disregarding it as the usual snark against mods. Hey, I’d be overjoyed to be proven wrong. But I’ve noticed over the past few years that there seems to be an antipathy among many of the mods and administrators toward making actual apologies toward members. If the mods really want a little more civility among the members (and towards themselves,) it would be wise to show a little toward the members when it’s warranted. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/46 "2006-04-24T23:03:44Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > > [@Translucent Daydream](#): > > > > I don’t think that they get paid, or at least that was the impression I was under. > > **TubaDiva** does. The other admins and mods don’t, except for the coffee mug. Just to set the record straight on this one point: **TubaDiva** receives some compensation for her efforts to support Ed Zotti on the Straight Dope® home page with the features that change weekly or multiple times each week. That effort and compensation are separate from her efforts as an Administrator on the SDMB, for which she, like every admin nad Mod, receives only a coffe mug. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/47 "2006-04-24T23:17:15Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > From what I understand, \*\*CatSix \*\* is known to stir the pot a bit. Jim I used to hate **catsix**. Then **Doc Cathode** said she was cool. Now I dig her. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/48 "2006-04-24T23:17:53Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > That effort and compensation are separate from her efforts as an Administrator on the SDMB, for which she, like every admin nad Mod, receives only a coffe mug. I hate it when they moderate my nads. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/49 "2006-04-24T23:35:18Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I used to hate **catsix**. Then **Doc Cathode** said she was cool. Now I dig her. Dig her or hate her, other posters provided cites proving she was right. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/50 "2006-04-24T23:52:32Z")
Thaks for the apology, **What Exit?** **DocCathode** has met me, so he knows that the tone that seems in my posts isn’t the tone that I talk with in real life. In real life, my voice is much like a stoner with serious allergies and the word ‘dude’ comes out a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/51 "2006-04-24T23:56:41Z")
From [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7322235&postcount=8) in the ATMB thread: > [@TubaDiva](#): > > In fact, we discourage people from sharing real life information that can come back to bite them in the butt, so there’s some degree of anonymity here. Not a whole lot; people can still be tracked (as I have come to discover; now I have to worry that someday me or mine will have to shoot some deranged jackass from cyberspace who comes calling, thanks a lot), but most people can pop in and out of circumstances and not be tracked. That’s an odd thing for _you_ to say, isn’t it? Of course, I’m assuming that you don’t have anything as serious in your past as what I’m referring to, but still it’s more than a little hypocritical. I didn’t put this in the ATMB thread because I’m bitching about her unprofessionalism – which I can’t do in ATMB. She can apparently say [whatever the hell she wants](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7323807&postcount=15) there, but I’m not as fortunate. Oh, and she totally owes **HeyHomie** and **catsix** apologies. They’re _customers_, lady, and the tone of their posts remained polite. The minimum ( **minimum** ) standard of service is a polite and respectful answer to their posts. If I talked to my customers the way you talk to yours, I would have been thrown into the street years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/52 "2006-04-25T00:08:33Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > > [@tomndebb](#): > > > > That effort and compensation are separate from her efforts as an Administrator on the SDMB, for which she, like every admin nad Mod, receives only a coffe mug. > > I hate it when they moderate my nads. How do you feel when they coffe in your mug? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/53 "2006-04-25T00:13:30Z")
I was assuming that I was being whooshed [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366113) Now - I am not sure. But FTR, **catsix** , yes, you are owed an apology. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/54 "2006-04-25T00:28:58Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Just to set the record straight on this one point: > > **TubaDiva** receives some compensation for her efforts to support Ed Zotti on the Straight Dope® home page with the features that change weekly or multiple times each week. > > That effort and compensation are separate from her efforts as an Administrator on the SDMB, for which she, like every admin nad Mod, receives only a coffe mug. Is that what Ed told you? FYI, there are precisely 3 links that require changing on that page. Whatever they’re paying Tuba, I’ll do it for half. Think about it, Ed. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/55 "2006-04-25T00:35:46Z")
I don’t understand this _need_ for an apology at the Dope. Unless the other person “gets it,” the apology is meaningless. It is a little childish to continue to insist upon one. (I keep getting the imagine of a red-faced twelve year old tossing her curls, crossing her arms and patting her foot until she gets her way.) I will always have a tendency to like those posters who have the grace to admit when they’ve made a mistake or apologize when they have unjustly offended. Some _never_ seem to apologize and I feel sorry for them that they are so seemingly insecure or prideful or stubborn. There is a lot of freedom in being an imperfect human. The red-faced twelve year old just called someone “Dude” and broke me up. Maybe she’s not as difficult as I had thought. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/56 "2006-04-25T00:43:54Z")
I’m not going to hold my breath and stomp my feet and demand it. I think the lack of apology in my direction has spoken more volumes to the community here than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/57 "2006-04-25T00:51:43Z")
Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/58 "2006-04-25T01:35:31Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Just to set the record straight on this one point: > > TubaDiva receives some compensation for her efforts to support Ed Zotti on the Straight Dope® home page with the features that change weekly or multiple times each week. > > That effort and compensation are separate from her efforts as an Administrator on the SDMB, for which she, like every admin nad Mod, receives only a coffe mug. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Is that what Ed told you? FYI, there are precisely 3 links that require changing on that page. Whatever they’re paying Tuba, I’ll do it for half. Think about it, Ed. **tomndebb** , as usual, is correct. **Ed** , IIRC, said exactly what **tom** said. If you can find a link that says otherwise, post it. You would probably be better off working a shift at McDonald’s in lieu of proposing that deal. Of course, the wage at McDonald’s may be better than you’re currently pulling in. In that case, Ed has a visible email([edzotti@aol.com](mailto:edzotti@aol.com)). He probably won’t see your plea here. ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/59 "2006-04-25T01:53:54Z")
Ed says [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5967763#post5967763) (Emphasis mine) > [@](#): > > You may say: So what she was sorry? Anybody who did something like that in real life would get fired. Maybe. However, there were other considerations. The first, and I may as well be frank about this, is that Tuba is pivotal to the operation of the SDMB and the SD website generally. I pay her a modest stipend; in return she takes care of a long list of tasks that would eat up all my time if I tried to do them myself. (I know this because I used to do them myself, and they ate up all my time.) \*\*Many of them involve what amounts to SDMB customer service. \*\*They are not the sort of thing you can delegate to a volunteer; hiring someone off the street to do them would be prohibitively expensive. So according to this it’s not just for SD home page stuff. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006/60 "2006-04-25T02:01:12Z")
> [@porcupine](#): > > Ed says [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5967763#post5967763) (Emphasis mine) > > So according to this it’s not just for SD home page stuff. I will allow that she gets paid for perhaps reading emails sent to the SDMB and Cecil. Ed just doesn’t have time for that. She obviously has to deal with emails about registrations gone wrong and things like that. I would still stake my life that her hourly wage would be embarassing. That was the point of my post. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-outlet-for-steaming-about-tubadivas-unprofessionalism/354006.md?page=4)