# General who opened Guantanamo prison says, shut it down!

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [December 13, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-who-opened-guantanamo-prison-says-shut-it-down/676251 "2013-12-13T16:51:25Z")\
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**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\
**Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-who-opened-guantanamo-prison-says-shut-it-down/676251/61 "2013-12-26T05:27:57Z")

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Looking at your first three examples:

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> In October 2012 the United States Court of Appeals ruled that the charge under which Hicks had been convicted was invalid because the law did not exist at the time of the alleged offence, and it could not be applied retrospectively.

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> On October 16, 2012, Hamdan’s entire conviction was overturned on appeal in the US Court of Appeals in Washington, DC, and he was acquitted of all charges.

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> In 2013 as part of an ongoing 20 million Dollar civil suit against Canada, Khadr said: “I have no memory at all of that day or anything at all about a grenade being thrown at any U.S. soldiers,” that the plea agreement was “constructed by the U.S. government in its entirety,” and that he had signed it only to escape the “continued abuse and torture” at Guantanamo Bay.

You’ve got two who were convicted only in violation of the United States Constitution, which explicitly forbids ex post facto laws, and a child who was tortured into confessing to a crime.

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**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\
**Post date:** [December 26, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-who-opened-guantanamo-prison-says-shut-it-down/676251/62 "2013-12-26T06:24:05Z")

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And the other two are no better. All in all, you’ve got three who did not commit any crime, against whom the United States literally invented crimes with which to charge them, unconstitutionally, _post facto_, an accused child soldier who was tortured into confessing to the “crime” of attacking an invading army, and a cook who also confessed after ten years at Gitmo.

These are not war criminals.

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**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\
**Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-who-opened-guantanamo-prison-says-shut-it-down/676251/63 "2014-01-01T22:47:05Z")

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I think that if he really believes in what he says, he will refuse the pension that he receives for his atrocities.

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**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\
**Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/general-who-opened-guantanamo-prison-says-shut-it-down/676251/64 "2014-01-01T23:58:59Z")

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> [@handsomeharry](#):
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> I think that if he really believes in what he says, he will refuse the pension that he receives for his atrocities.

What atrocities? The atrocities committed by those sent to replace him?

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