# Generally speaking, how many masculine groups/cutulres are there? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 10, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579 "2018-02-10T08:43:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/141 "2018-02-14T19:58:37Z")
Well, you know hobbies is hobbies! To each his own! There is always that manly game of checkers, if needs must. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/142 "2018-02-14T23:58:09Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But chess is for pussies, not manly men. Real mean teach themselves to wrassle porcupines in wading pools full of rubbing alcohol. That’s the problem, though, if you like chess, or don’t have a wading pool. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/143 "2018-02-15T01:27:27Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > You guys should also be accepting of my posts a bit, too instead of arguing or criticizing them. Yes I will admit is a bit of an over-exaggeration to say all men are being pussified… imma snip the quote and stop you right there. Point 1) ‘tolerance’ doesn’t mean we have to pretend your half-digested regurgitated MRA bullshit is actually a valid or worthwhile theory. We are actually being quite nice TO YOU while trying to make clear that you are picking up a lot of mental garbage. So you can just put on your grownup panties and get used to being challenged on your half-baked ideas. How else are you supposed to learn to think? Point 2) in that vein of asking you to actually THINK about what you’re preaching here: can you explain IN YOUR OWN (SIMPLE, SMALL, SPECIFIC) WORDS, why you feel that ‘pussification’ is a bad thing? What terrible fate will befall humanity if some men choose in this modern world to behave in a 'less-than-‘alpha’-masculine way at all times in all ways? This isn’t intended to be a ‘gotcha’ - I really want to know why you’re worried about this. Please don’t just vomit MRA shit - actually provide personal reasons please. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/144 "2018-02-15T03:37:41Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > imma snip the quote and stop you right there. > > Point 1) ‘tolerance’ doesn’t mean we have to pretend your half-digested regurgitated MRA bullshit is actually a valid or worthwhile theory. We are actually being quite nice TO YOU while trying to make clear that you are picking up a lot of mental garbage. So you can just put on your grownup panties and get used to being challenged on your half-baked ideas. How else are you supposed to learn to think? > > Point 2) in that vein of asking you to actually THINK about what you’re preaching here: can you explain IN YOUR OWN (SIMPLE, SMALL, SPECIFIC) WORDS, why you feel that ‘pussification’ is a bad thing? What terrible fate will befall humanity if some men choose in this modern world to behave in a 'less-than-‘alpha’-masculine way at all times in all ways? This isn’t intended to be a ‘gotcha’ - I really want to know why you’re worried about this. Please don’t just vomit MRA shit - actually provide personal reasons please. 1. I don’t necessarily think some pussification is bad, sheesh why would I want criminals over civilized men 2. Studies found those who apply more to traditional gender roles are less likely to be prone to depression 3. What this also means is other groups of men will start taking over Asian, Western, Australian and South American cultures. Here a quote from this article “The consequences will be disastrous for millions of people around the globe. When America retreats from killing bad guys, bad guys kill more innocent people. We are witnessing this right now as a consequence of America abandoning Iraq and retreating from the world generally. Islamic State took over more and more territory as America abandoned those territories. Ironically, therefore, as American foreign policy becomes feminized, more Middle East females are raped” [https://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/prager-feminization-america-bad-world](https://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/prager-feminization-america-bad-world) ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/145 "2018-02-15T04:16:55Z")
Cite your sources for #2 please. In the mean time, correlation is not causation. I also bet Jews in Nazi Germany and women in the FLDS were and are pretty depressed with their traditional roles in their societies too, if we’re going to trade generalizations. I’m also amused that there are apparently no men AT ALL in the middle east ANYWHERE, to be responsible for their own countries. If you can’t see why that’s a bullshit quote and not applicable to the complicated political and sociological reality, then I really don’t know that we can help you. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/146 "2018-02-15T04:51:16Z")
Truthrevolt? HaHaHa! I can’t stop laughing at you, you’re hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/147 "2018-02-15T06:14:33Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > Cite your sources for #2 please. In the mean time, correlation is not causation. I also bet Jews in Nazi Germany and women in the FLDS were and are pretty depressed with their traditional roles in their societies too, if we’re going to trade generalizations. > > I’m also amused that there are apparently no men AT ALL in the middle east ANYWHERE, to be responsible for their own countries. If you can’t see why that’s a bullshit quote and not applicable to the complicated political and sociological reality, then I really don’t know that we can help you. I understand I go through the lens of identity politics, because is my tendency Do you want proof though traditional gender roles and tasks are natural? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/148 "2018-02-15T07:59:46Z")
What do those words even mean? They are not understandable. They are just sense-less. I give up, you cannot be helped. I have nothing more to offer this thread. I am flouncing. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/149 "2018-02-15T11:10:10Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > “The consequences will be disastrous for millions of people around the globe. When America retreats from killing bad guys, bad guys kill more innocent people. We are witnessing this right now as a consequence of America abandoning Iraq and retreating from the world generally. Islamic State took over more and more territory as America abandoned those territories. Ironically, therefore, as American foreign policy becomes feminized, more Middle East females are raped” > [https://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/prager-feminization-america-bad-world](https://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/prager-feminization-america-bad-world) I’m not trying to snark you in any way, but it really saddens me to see this happening. We keep trying to tell you to stop paying attention to the hate-filled toxic garbage that you keep consuming, but it rolls off you like water off a greased goose. It is like watching a slow-motion train wreck as you seem to be determined to become a piece of slime. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/150 "2018-02-15T13:21:37Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > What do those words even mean? They are not understandable. > They are just sense-less. > I give up, you cannot be helped. I have nothing more to offer this thread. > I am flouncing. :smack: You all just want to sound smart over me, I get it Also why the fuck would I want to be an “MRA” let alone even hear the cringe ass term at all? am an egalitarian all the way. If I really wanted to be an MRA then I would add in some pointless facts that I have already used before like Idk the gendered marketing, the prison population or life expectancies. And this is like the millionth time I have to specify that English isn’t my original language lol. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/151 "2018-02-15T13:22:47Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I understand I go through the lens of identity politics, because is my tendency No, it is your bias and your ignorance. If you insist on selectively searching out information that supports your bias and ignorance then you’re not going to learn anything, you’ll never become anything better than what you are right now. Ignorant, afraid, credulous and illiterate is no way to go through life. > [@Luciano700](#): > > Do you want proof though traditional gender roles and tasks are natural? Bullying is _natural_. Rape is _natural_. Racism is _natural_. Murder is _natural_. All kinds of abhorrent behaviour is _natural_ and often a product of traditional gender/societal roles. Nature, Luciano, is what we’re in this world to rise above. Rise above _your_ natural negative impulses. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/152 "2018-02-15T13:27:32Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I’m not trying to snark you in any way, but it really saddens me to see this happening. We keep trying to tell you to stop paying attention to the hate-filled toxic garbage that you keep consuming, but it rolls off you like water off a greased goose. It is like watching a slow-motion train wreck as you seem to be determined to become a piece of slime. Here i got 2 sources to proof gender roles are natural > **[Monkey Study May Explain Why Girls Like Dolls, Boys Like Trucks](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gender-toys-children-toy-preferences-hormones_n_1827727)** > > Monkey Study May Explain Why Girls Like Dolls, Boys Like Trucks > **[Sex differences in rhesus monkey toy preferences parallel those of children](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583786/)** > > Socialization processes, parents, or peers encouraging play with gender specific toys are thought to be the primary force shaping sex differences in toy preference. A contrast in view is that toy preferences reflect biologically determined... These studies were done on monkeys. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/153 "2018-02-15T13:28:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > No, it is your bias and your ignorance. If you insist on selectively searching out information that supports your bias and ignorance then you’re not going to learn anything, you’ll never become anything better than what you are right now. > > Ignorant, afraid, credulous and illiterate is no way to go through life. > > Bullying is _natural_. Rape is _natural_. Racism is _natural_. Murder is _natural_. All kinds of abhorrent behaviour is _natural_ and often a product of traditional gender/societal roles. > > Nature, Luciano, is what we’re in this world to rise above. Rise above _your_ natural negative impulses. Lmao that’s exactly the same thing just worded differently. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/154 "2018-02-15T13:32:59Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Here i got 2 sources to proof gender roles are natural And [here](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/boys-broken-comedian-michael-ian-black-nails-rigid-masculinity-killing-us-wake-florida-massacre/) is a link for you. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/155 "2018-02-15T13:35:40Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Here i got 2 sources to proof gender roles are natural > > [Gender & Toys: Monkey Study Suggests Hormonal Basis For Children's Toy Preferences | HuffPost Impact](https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1827727) > > [Sex differences in rhesus monkey toy preferences parallel those of children - PMC](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583786/) > > These studies were done on monkeys. > [@Luciano700](#): > > Lmao that’s exactly the same thing just worded differently. What do you conclude from these studies and comments? How do they support your “Pussyfication” hypothesis? ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/156 "2018-02-15T13:38:18Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And [here](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/boys-broken-comedian-michael-ian-black-nails-rigid-masculinity-killing-us-wake-florida-massacre/) is a link for you. See I wouldn’t even know if this is biased or not, because is not like I know 90% of the websites. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/157 "2018-02-15T13:41:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What do you conclude from these studies and comments? > > How do they support your “Pussyfication” hypothesis? They are very spot on How does this support my pussification hypothesis? Pretty sure is that it just goes against the natural wills. Going overly against your traditional gender-based instincts and wanting to do one feminine thing [example try nail polish] are completely different things. It can cause stress not knowing how to act out. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/158 "2018-02-15T13:53:14Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > They are very spot on > How does this support my pussification hypothesis? Pretty sure is that it just goes against the natural wills. Going overly against your traditional gender-based instincts and wanting to do one feminine thing [example try nail polish] are completely different things. It can cause stress not knowing how to act out. There are of course artificial ideas of gender roles sure. But there is a reason I brought up the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/159 "2018-02-15T13:54:14Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > How does this support my pussification hypothesis? Pretty sure is that it just goes against the natural wills. Going overly against your traditional gender-based instincts and wanting to do one feminine thing [example try nail polish] are completely different things. It can cause stress not knowing how to act out. What you are doing here is called [_projection_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection). I’ll conjecture to say that 98 percent or more of the men reading these posts do not conform to the strict [macho duck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rE5LxCY5WI) Arnold Schwarzenegger/David Beckham standard that you think all men are supposed to aspire to reach. And do you know how many fucks they give about that? Zero. Zero fucks are given. _You_ are the one stressed out not knowing how to act out. You. This is all on you. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579/160 "2018-02-15T13:56:47Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > What you are doing here is called [_projection_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection). I’ll conjecture to say that 98 percent or more of the men reading these posts do not conform to the strict [macho duck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rE5LxCY5WI) Arnold Schwarzenegger/David Beckham standard that you think all men are supposed to aspire to reach. And do you know how many fucks they give about that? Zero. Zero fucks are given. _You_ are the one stressed out not knowing how to act out. You. This is all on you. I am not implying though you have to be overly-masculine either too. Funny how you say I am doing a projection. You guys didn’t even bother commenting on the Otasaku culture of Japan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/generally-speaking-how-many-masculine-groups-cutulres-are-there/808579.md?page=9)