# Genetic Freedom **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 29, 2004, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192 "2004-03-29T23:45:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/41 "2004-03-30T05:20:18Z")
> [@castaway](#): > > Who are you talking to… certainly not me. But this is the internet, and people get confused. No problem. Nice rebuttal. Are you Science Girl’s twin “sister?” ---
**Author:** ![castaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@castaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/castaway)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/42 "2004-03-30T05:21:43Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Now now, I think it does, since you suggested that 1) culture is genetic _snicker_ and 2) ethnic mixing destroys culture. > Do you have multiple personality disorder? You just got done going to length to show that because dolphins aren’t humans (or something) culture is genetic. All you seem to be really interested in (given the assumption, which you granted here, that culture can be independently experienced) is a pure race. > I don’t see how your paranoid fear of cultures dying from being mixed is the same language as cultures dying from being mixed. > … so… in order to be free and achieve peace, we have to attain genetic and/or philisophical sameness? > … so… a belief structure based on 1) ethnic purity, 2) philisophical sameness, 3) segregation, and 4) legal enforcement of the above… OK, I get where you’re coming from. Maybe your motivations aren’t because you hate darkie over there, or feel superior to him. You just happen to fit the description of being a racist for a purely different reason. > > KTHX, I’ll take my personal freedoms and go next door. I’m still free to do that, right? Wow, we definately are NOT properly communicating. The sheer number of perception distortions occuring is beyond my ability to repair so I’m going to have to rely on time to do that. If I sat down with you an hour or two, we could probably work all this out… I doubt you’ll give it the time needed to understand it but if you do, you’ll be surprised at how peaceful the concept of Genetic Freedom is. Later ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/43 "2004-03-30T05:23:55Z")
**castaway:** \*Sure, again, the one and only disagreement I currently have with you is that local groups of people should have this freedom without having to purchase private property. \* But you **do** have that freedom (to reproduce within what you consider to be a genetically similar group). You don’t have to move to a commune in Montana in order for you and your friends to marry people who look a lot like you, and encourage your children to marry people who look a lot like them. However, you don’t have the freedom to impose similar restrictions on your neighbors, or to prevent your neighbors or the media from expressing criticisms of the restrictions you prefer. _Suggestions are constantly made and the children’s minds go with the suggestions. That’s not freedom._ Sure it is: it’s freedom of expression, which is a constitutionally guaranteed right. What you seem to be after is freedom from being disagreed with. Face it: your views about preserving racial purity or genetic diversity are ones that many people disagree with, and this is reflected in the media. Nonetheless, you have a perfect right to express your views and to act in accordance with them. You don’t have a right to impose them on anyone else or prevent anyone else from criticizing them. \*You are correct, for us to be genetically free, in groups, would require some alterations to the alternations to the constitution. \* Now we come to the heart of the matter. Exactly what constitutional amendments are you advocating for the sake of your so-called “freedom”? ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/44 "2004-03-30T05:27:31Z")
[QUOTE=castaway] > [@](#): > > Per the essay the laws would be this: > Laws of diversity are enforced at gunpoint. To be fair, Genetic Freedom could also be tagged with, at gunpoint. The difference is profound however. In today’s world, the “gun of law” is pointed at thousands, of an existing community, as that community is told they will accept some individuals into the community. With Genetic Freedom, the “gun of law” is pointed only at individuals who insist upon living in a community that has chosen not to accept them into it. So today the “gun of law” is pointed at the vast majority of people and with Genetic Freedom, the “gun of law” is pointed at a mere handful of people who have decided that others do not deserve to be genetically free within their groups. So I am impinging on your genetic freedom by moving into your neighborhood? This is just segregation, pure and simple. You have wrapped everything up in pseudo-scientific terms such that it sounds more reasonable and reasoned, but the fact is that the end result is IDENTICAL to exactly what several White Nationalists have been espousing on this board. I am sorry to say this as you have been a relatively nice poster, but this whole genetic freedom thing is bullshit. You are not giving anyone any more freedoms than they had, you are taking away the freedoms of others. It seems like the “reason brigade” of racist seperatists has invaded this board to attempt to win over new converts. > [@](#): > > These concepts are more well thought out than you give them credit… I’ve been thinking about them a year, you an hour… Are you that much better than me? Probably not, though I cannot say as I do not know you. It is entirely possible though since you have spent a year on this and have not seen through all the doublespeak yet. Even if you honestly believe in this, you have to see that it was created as a simple front for racist groups who support racial segregation. ---
**Author:** ![castaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@castaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/castaway)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/45 "2004-03-30T05:30:51Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > So? A desert culture will never be anything like a rainforest culture, which will never be anything like an agricultural culture, which will never be anything like an industrial culture. The fact that we are genetically different does not mean that our cultures need to be mutually exclusive. > > What advantages does a chimp culture have of only breeding within itself? I mean, other than the genetic weaknesses and deformities that come out of incest. We have no disagreements on the first thing you mentioned above… you think we do but we don’t… relax. You just stating human nature facts and cultural facts. Same as I do. Chimps are far more isolated than human beings. Their population is in parts of Africa, that’s it. Humans have spread to the whole of planet Earth. Chimps survive not by breeding solely within a small limited community, but rather males go out and find females from neighboring communities etc… The communities I’m speaking of, in Genetic Freedom are obviously much bigger than chimp communities. There may, very well be enough genetic diversity in a community of 10,000 Germans, for example, for them to never have to breed outside that group to maintain strong genetics. It’s all relative. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/46 "2004-03-30T05:32:19Z")
> [@castaway](#): > > The sheer number of perception distortions occuring is beyond my ability to repair so I’m going to have to rely on time to do that. Rely on all you want. Like I tell those LDS freaks, I already have a religion, KTHX. > [@](#): > > If I sat down with you an hour or two, we could probably work all this out… Yea, especially if you used your “gun of law” to the back of my head for not agreeing with you. Or, I’m sorry, “accepting the Genetic Freedom” or whatever you were talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/47 "2004-03-30T05:40:50Z")
> [@castaway](#): > > doublespeak You still never answered my question as to what advantages one would have by breeding any population within a certain degree of its genetic peers. I mean, other than “cultural diversity,” which we already have. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/48 "2004-03-30T05:40:57Z")
OK, I see the White Nationalist reasoning here: The concept of individual freedom applied to a group. The Group has the same rights as the individual, primarily survival. But the US is founded on the notion of individual rights, not group rights. And the two are not compatible. Sooner or later, the individual rights get sacrificed for the group rights. It’s been tried hundred of times with the same results. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/49 "2004-03-30T05:45:37Z")
**castaway:** _In today’s world, the “gun of law” is pointed at thousands, of an existing community, as that community is told they will accept some individuals into the community. […] By the way, even on private property, you can be sued if you refuse someone housing on the grounds of ethnicity._ What you seem to be driving at is that it’s illegal to discriminate against people in **commercial transactions** such as renting or selling housing, employment, retail merchandising, etc., because of ethnicity. That’s because the government regulates such transactions, and the government is constitutionally determined to be racially egalitarian. You can’t expect a racially egalitarian government to encourage or tolerate your racial separatism in public, commercial transactions. You **can** expect the government to keep its racially egalitarian nose out of the private decisions of your **personal** life. And in fact, the government does do so. There are no laws requiring you not to discriminate on racial grounds in your choice of personal friends, or a marriage partner, or in your personal ideas of what racial groups are preferable; any such laws would be unconstitutional. Your **personal** freedom to be racially separatist is entirely protected. When you try to bring your separatism into the regulated **public** sphere, though, you’re infringing the constitutionally established right of other individuals to equal protection of the laws. Constitutionally speaking, their right to be free from discrimination in the public sphere trumps your right to discriminate. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/50 "2004-03-30T06:05:38Z")
From all I have seen in this discussion I nailed the whole genetic freedom thing in post #2, I am just annoyed it took me until post #16 to note that it is really just White Nationalism. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/51 "2004-03-30T06:11:41Z")
> [@flight](#): > > From all I have seen in this discussion I nailed the whole genetic freedom thing in post #2, I am just annoyed it took me until post #16 to note that it is really just White Nationalism. It isn’t necessarily White Nationalism. It is segregationalist, biased, and fascist, but it is at the very least equally discriminatory to all races, if that can be said to be a virtue. I’m not one to go along for the hive mentality of things, but apparently castaway spent a whole year meditating deeply on this and decided that the Group is more important than the individual, and feels the need to make all of the rest of us poor slobs feel the same. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/52 "2004-03-30T06:42:25Z")
You know, there is an awful lot of stuff in this thread about “the media” pushing some sort of homogenization effort. My impression is that this has been rather uncriticlly accepted–and that it is utter hogwash. Now, I will confess that I do not have an extremely broad overview of current TV practices, being pretty much limited to the snippets I see as I walk past my kids as they watch TV. Therefore, it is entirely possible that there is a huge push toward homogeneity that I have missed. However, here are my vague impressions of the “mixing” that is being “pushed” on TV: Drew Carey is a white guy that got married three times–all to white women. Damon Wayans has a family sitcom (My Wife and Kids?) in which his son engaged in some unprotected sex and wound up getting married (I think)–to a black girl. (And, of course, the star and his TV wife are both black.) Dharma and Greg: white couple. There has been (or will be?) a marriage on That 70s Show–between two white kids. George Lopez and his TV wife are both Latino/Hispanic/whatever. Then you have the shows dealing with “non-traditional” relationships: Will and Grace (ooops, Grace married a white guy and Will seems to date pretty much only white guys). It’s all Relative has more non-traditional relationships, but the focal couple is, well, white. Of course, there _is_ ER, where there have been a couple of ethnically mixed couples–including one GASP mixed baby. (Of course, being a soap opera, they might kill off the baby to keep the plot going.) However, a review of the last ten years demonstrates that the overwhelming number of liaisons and marriages have followed the same old boring monoethnic lines as the majority of the American population. So where is all this “homogenization” taking place? Do we honestly think that putting such listless actors as Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston in bed together is going to make everyone run out and create “mixed” babies? (Heck, in Dances With Wolves, they went out and kidnapped a white woman so that when Kevin showed up he could win one of his “own kind.”) Even Shrek wound up winning an ogre, not a princess. (Should that have been inside a spoiler box?) I think that before we bother debating the _propriety_ of the media “promoting” homogenization, we ought to demonstrate that such promotion even exists. It sounds like one more unfounded paranoid fantasy to me. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/53 "2004-03-30T08:18:51Z")
I agree. I touched on this briefly in saying that the media was observably not promoting mixed marriage over non-mixed. It simply isn’t a motivation for them and saying that they have some grand master plan gives them too much credit. They cater to what people want so they can sell commercial time. Though **castaway** never responded to this, s/he didn’t harp on it anymore so I didn’t bother continuing. There are just so many easy points to argue against their ideas that some fall through the cracks. **Zagadka** , I realize that so far they are taking this from an equal racial viewpoint, but considering the influx of Whities recently I think this is a safe assumption. In fact, it has been mentioned by at least one of them that each race as they see them should have their own separate homeland. It seems that **castaway** is trying to approach us as if s/he is being reasonable, so of s/he takes the side of everyone getting their own equal place. As I see it, when the result of this view and White Nationalism result in exactly the same result by the same methods, why not call a spade a spade? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/54 "2004-03-30T12:48:49Z")
Well, I agree that I don’t see the popular media push towards homogenization, Tom. I think that’s more a matter of portraying things as they are. **castaway** , I want to follow up on the ‘laws’ issue and the amending of the constitution. Could you please outline for me say, three changes to current law that you would have put in place? And please specify whether or not these changes could be a simple matter of changing laws or amending the constitution? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2004, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/55 "2004-03-30T14:16:21Z")
One last criticism of this “Genetic Freedom” rhetoric: the inaccuracy of using “genetic” as a synonym for “racial”. **castaway** , you may not be aware of this, but in fact “racial” physical traits are very unreliable as indicators of closeness of genetic relationship. We can see the unreliability of the resemblance/kinship correlation superficially at an individual level—e.g., my sister looks somewhat more like one of our first cousins than she does like me, although of course she’s more genetically akin to me than to our cousin. But it also shows up at the level of whole populations—e.g., many dark-skinned, curly-haired Africans are more genetically akin to pale-skinned, straight-haired Norwegians than they are to dark-skinned, curly-haired Australians or South Indians. So if you’re really serious about preserving the separateness of groups that are actually **genetically similar** , you couldn’t just go by racial morphology like skin color or facial structure; you’d have to run genomic analyses on all individuals to determine how closely they were genetically related. And I think you’d find the results quite shocking. Inevitably, you’d wind up discovering that some people that you consider racially different from you are actually **more closely related** to you, genetically speaking, than some people that you consider to be of the same race as you. And then for the sake of preserving that unique genetic identity, you’d have to go and interbreed with those different-looking people, and ignorant people would assume you were actually practicing genetic homogenization instead, and then you’d be all misunderstood and depressed. We don’t want that to happen to you, **castaway** , so maybe you should relinquish this fundamentally flawed “Genetic Freedom” idea. ---
**Author:** ![castaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@castaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/castaway)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/56 "2004-03-31T00:03:15Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Oooooh, I get it. You have a whacky religion where everything is peaceful and happy when everyone agrees to it and accepts it as their government. > > So, what’s new about that, other than capitalizing “freedom” and blabbering about genetics and dolphins? Do you believe laws should suppress human Genetic Freedom for both individuals and groups and allow the human race to branch freely or be neutral towards it? If you believe laws should suppress it, why? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/57 "2004-03-31T00:09:01Z")
> [@castaway](#): > > Do you believe laws should suppress human Genetic Freedom for both individuals and groups and allow the human race to branch freely or be neutral towards it? I think you’re like a lot of the people crying that they don’t have freedom of speech. If they didn’t have freedom of speech, they wouldn’t be able to cry about it. No one is stopping you from going off and making a fark farm for you and your ethnic equals. What you are legally being stopped from doing is enforcing your beliefs on other people, just like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![castaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@castaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/castaway)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/58 "2004-03-31T00:18:10Z")
[ > [@](#): > > QUOTE=Kimstu] **castaway:** \*Sure, again, the one and only disagreement I currently have with you is that local groups of people should have this freedom without having to purchase private property. \* > > But you **do** have that freedom (to reproduce within what you consider to be a genetically similar group). You don’t have to move to a commune in Montana in order for you and your friends to marry people who look a lot like you, and encourage your children to marry people who look a lot like them. Let’s not waste time on obvious facts. We all know what freedom we have today etc… Genetic Freedom brought up two rules, the media rule and the proximity rule. Do you understand those? Because when you understand those, you realize that the only way the human race can freely branch is if they are legally allowed to discriminate in housing. Discriminate means to distinguish accurately nothing more. We’ve been conditioned to feel negative emotions when hearing that word like a pavlov dog. > [@](#): > > However, you don’t have the freedom to impose similar restrictions on your neighbors, or to prevent your neighbors or the media from expressing criticisms of the restrictions you prefer. Show me where I suggested imposing restrictions on anybody elses freedoms. I’ve suggested that if you want to enter into a community outside your ethnic group, and they don’t want you to move in because they are expressing their fundamental right to genetic freedom, you would be the one imposing upon them. Essentially you would be imposing upon them your genetics and preventing them from having genetic freedom as a group. If they want to accept you, that is their freedom, their right. > [@](#): > > _Suggestions are constantly made and the children’s minds go with the suggestions. That’s not freedom._ > > Sure it is: it’s freedom of expression, which is a constitutionally guaranteed right. What you seem to be after is freedom from being disagreed with. Face it: your views about preserving racial purity or genetic diversity are ones that many people disagree with, and this is reflected in the media. Nonetheless, you have a perfect right to express your views and to act in accordance with them. You don’t have a right to impose them on anyone else or prevent anyone else from criticizing them. No, the problem is that you do not comprehend what I’m saying due to media conditioning. Communication is the main problem and you’ve been conditioned by the media to not comprehend these concepts properly. The mass media is about 90% monopoly controlled… thus we have the mainstream. Why do you consider a world with 90% monopoly control of media to be free? \*You are correct, for us to be genetically free, in groups, would require some alterations to the alternations to the constitution. \* > [@](#): > > Now we come to the heart of the matter. Exactly what constitutional amendments are you advocating for the sake of your so-called “freedom”? One that would allow genetic freedom. The fundamental right to discriminate on the basis of genetics in districts or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![castaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@castaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/castaway)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/59 "2004-03-31T00:30:39Z")
[QUOTE] > [@flight](#): > > So I am impinging on your genetic freedom by moving into your neighborhood? This is just segregation, pure and simple. You have wrapped everything up in pseudo-scientific terms such that it sounds more reasonable and reasoned, but the fact is that the end result is IDENTICAL to exactly what several White Nationalists have been espousing on this board. Segregation is a governmental policy, mandated by the government. Do you understand the concept of centralized power, laws, and constitutions? Genetic Freedom is a local power, and local freedom. The government has no authority and passes down no authority. That is a very, very big difference. The stupidity of white nationalists is why people struggle with understanding the concept of genetic freedom… the day that those people all go away and simply start talking about genetic freedom, is the day that Genetic Freedom will finally break through the wall of ignorance. > [@](#): > > I am sorry to say this as you have been a relatively nice poster, but this whole genetic freedom thing is bullshit. You are not giving anyone any more freedoms than they had, you are taking away the freedoms of others. It seems like the “reason brigade” of racist seperatists has invaded this board to attempt to win over new converts. You don’t comprehend it. Simple. You just said I’m taking away the freedom of others… yeah, I’m taking away their freedom to infringe upon another groups genetic freedom… that’s what you fail to understand. You’re caught in the “we’re all the same,” “we’re all one” dogma and escaping that is difficult because it creates a euphoric feeling. I can assure you Genetic Freedom, once understood, is a pleasant and higher place to be, intellectually and emotionally speaking. > [@](#): > > Probably not, though I cannot say as I do not know you. It is entirely possible though since you have spent a year on this and have not seen through all the doublespeak yet. Even if you honestly believe in this, you have to see that it was created as a simple front for racist groups who support racial segregation. No, you are completely wrong there… I wrote and created the concept, myself. I also created the Genetics Religion. There is no double speak. It’s cut and dry, clear as a crystal. Perception distortions are expected due to the extreme media conditioning that has occurred to the human population over the past many decades. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192/60 "2004-03-31T00:31:14Z")
> [@castaway](#): > > Because when you understand those, you realize that the only way the human race can freely branch is if they are legally allowed to discriminate in housing. You deny that, even if we homogenize, we will eventually branch again? > [@](#): > > Show me where I suggested imposing restrictions on anybody elses freedoms. I’ve suggested that if you want to enter into a community outside your ethnic group, and they don’t want you to move in because they are expressing their fundamental right to genetic freedom, you would be the one imposing upon them. That is terribly naive. You operate on the base presumption that absolute segregation would do a few things: 1. Local homogeny - This may be true, for about 5 minutes. After that, they would branch again and you’d have each smaller community torn into pieces. 1. Global diversity - This may indeed be achieved by your plan, no denying that. 1. World peace - This is the most absurd part. It would take about 15 minutes (given 10 minutes for people to start killing each other) to look outside their walls and covet someone else’s land/resources/women/whatever. Given the segregation and isolation, this would result in ethnic warfare on a scale never before seen. > [@](#): > > Essentially you would be imposing upon them your genetics and preventing them from having genetic freedom as a group. Still their choice if they want to fark you or not. > [@](#): > > The mass media is about 90% monopoly controlled… thus we have the mainstream. Why do you consider a world with 90% monopoly control of media to be free? Cite that 90% of the world’s media is monopoly controlled, please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genetic-freedom/237192.md?page=4)