# Genital mutilation of young girls. But it's a religious thing! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2017, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057 "2017-04-23T11:44:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/402 "2018-12-05T16:27:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > virtue signaling is a silly alt-right buzzword Um, no. Just because you may have seen an alt-righter use the term does not mean they invented it or have even really made it their own. > **[Virtue signalling](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling)** > > Virtue signalling is a pejorative neologism for the idea that an expression of a moral viewpoint is being done disingenuously, with the intent of communicating good character. > According to the Cambridge Dictionary, virtue signalling is "an attempt to show other people that you are a good person, for example by expressing opinions that will be acceptable to them, especially on social media... indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cult... That Wiki article makes very little reference to alt-righters or even to conservatism more broadly. It does however include this bit: > [@](#): > > Helen Lewis, writing for the New Statesman, blamed virtue signalling for the Labour Party’s defeat in the 2015 general election, suggesting that the desire to be seen as holding virtuous opinions leads political activists to focus on issues such as nuclear disarmament that are lofty and remote to common voters, resulting in an echo chamber effect that led Labour strategists to underestimate support for Conservative policies.[19] If we follow the link to Helen Lewis’s Wiki profile, she is described thusly: > [@](#): > > Helen Lewis (born 1983) is a British journalist and the deputy editor of the New Statesman.[1] A left wing, third-wave feminist, she has also written for The Guardian[2] and The Sunday Times. Maybe next time, before you lecture someone on their word usage, you might consider actually taking a moment to look up the word in question to make sure you know what the fuck you are talking about. :dubious: ETA: I might add that you would do well to take Lewis’s advice to heart. This is exactly what I’ve been sounding the alarm about on this board: this “callout culture” that constantly looks to score PC points, never mind how many moderate voters it might turn off. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/403 "2018-12-05T16:37:58Z")
Forget it, **2&E4** , it’s Slinctown. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/404 "2018-12-05T16:45:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I can tell you what has always indicated to me most clearly that there is something majorly lost in one’s penis function when circumcised: all the sniggering references so prevalent in Western culture, at least in more raunchy movies and comedy, to boys keeping hand lotion by their beds. I honestly did not even get what this was about for many years. Then it slowly dawned on me that circumcised guys _need lubrication to masturbate!_ (I guess if lotion isn’t nearby, they spit in their hands or something.) That is so weird to me, and sad. Because it’s not just an inconvenience, it tells me something is fundamentally different about the way they get stimulated. (For me, it’s nothing like “whacking off” as is the usual term of art, but all about small, delicate movements of the foreskin over the glans.) Um, they don’t need lotion. It’s just better with it (or so I hear). “Small and delicate” is a matter of taste, not a necessity. You get the objective is to enjoy the experience and there are no written rules, right? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/405 "2018-12-05T16:55:52Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You get the objective is to enjoy the experience and there are no written rules, right? Sure, but every woman I have been with, without exception, has reported that circumcised guys need it (or at least want it) jackhammer style. That tells me an awful lot. Look, if and when we get to the point as a society where we stop doing this to anyone, male or female, I will definitely not have any desire to make anyone who was born before that societal change feel bad about what they had taken from them. But until then, it is unfortunately unavoidable to broach this subject if we are going to debunk the idea that (as BigT claimed upthread) men who were circumcised have not been harmed in any way. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/406 "2018-12-05T17:24:58Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Forget it, **2&E4** , it’s Slinctown. Yeah, I really should stop bothering. One last note about virtue signaling - the concept undoubtedly exists, for lazy people to indicate their decency with empty words, but by far its most common usage today is the alt-right/SlackerInc usage - to dismiss any criticism by liberals that they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/407 "2018-12-05T17:31:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Look, if and when we get to the point as a society where we stop doing this to anyone, male or female, I will definitely not have any desire to make anyone who was born before that societal change feel bad about what they had taken from them. But until then, it is unfortunately unavoidable to broach this subject if we are going to debunk the idea that (as BigT claimed upthread) men who were circumcised have not been harmed in any way. If it’s at all possible to gently persuade circumcised men not to circumcise their sons, without calling too much attention to what’s been lost, I think that’s the preferred option. Ignorance is bliss. Unfortunately, simply saying the procedure is “painful and unnecessary” doesn’t convey the full gravity of how bad it is. It’s not just painful, but extremely painful, even tortuous. It’s not just “unnecessary” but actually harmful. When the gentle approach doesn’t work, forcefully shoving the Red Pill down an expectant parents throat may be the last ditch option. I have a friend who is getting married soon, who is stubbornly insisting that if he has a son, he will have him circumcised. Despite all my efforts to discuss this issue, it’s like talking to a brick wall. If my friend does end up having a son, my last ditch effort will be to issue this ultimatum: If you cut your son, the day that your son turns 18, I’m going to share with him all the information on circumcision I’ve tried to share with you. It will then be up to him to decide how that influences his relationship with you. Circumcision is commonly accepted now in our society, but can you be absolutely sure that attitudes won’t change two decades from now? I don’t have the power to stop you, but I feel so strongly about this that I will jeopardize our friendship in an effort to persuade you not to do it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/408 "2018-12-05T17:39:53Z")
I know I should have given up hope long ago, but some childlike hopeful part of me still hopes that folks like SlackerInc might one day realize “hey, maybe body-shaming and insulting strangers I’m claiming have been harmed isn’t the best way for me to convince those individuals that they were greatly harmed by circumcision and the practice should stop” or something like that. But I know I probably take that hope way too far sometimes, and I apologize when it assists in a thread hijack or derailment. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/409 "2018-12-05T19:09:50Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > If it’s at all possible to gently persuade circumcised men not to circumcise their sons, without calling too much attention to what’s been lost, I think that’s the preferred option. Ignorance is bliss. Unfortunately, simply saying the procedure is “painful and unnecessary” doesn’t convey the full gravity of how bad it is. It’s not just painful, but extremely painful, even tortuous. It’s not just “unnecessary” but actually harmful. When the gentle approach doesn’t work, forcefully shoving the Red Pill down an expectant parents throat may be the last ditch option. > > I have a friend who is getting married soon, who is stubbornly insisting that if he has a son, he will have him circumcised. Despite all my efforts to discuss this issue, it’s like talking to a brick wall. If my friend does end up having a son, my last ditch effort will be to issue this ultimatum: If you cut your son, the day that your son turns 18, I’m going to share with him all the information on circumcision I’ve tried to share with you. It will then be up to him to decide how that influences his relationship with you. Circumcision is commonly accepted now in our society, but can you be absolutely sure that attitudes won’t change two decades from now? I don’t have the power to stop you, but I feel so strongly about this that I will jeopardize our friendship in an effort to persuade you not to do it. So, you are saying you aren’t just an extremist on the internet, you are also a dick to your “friends”? Dude, some battles aren’t worth fighting. You know what, I have a friend who has fallen way down the alternative medicine rabbit hole since having a child who is severely autistic. She travels to Washington to testify about how dangerous flue shots are. She gives her son all sorts of medicine that’s not medically indicated, and subjects him to all sorts of tests (MRIs, etc.) for flimsy reasons. Two primary care physicians have “fired” her because they can’t deal with her demands. I don’t try to convince her to stop randomly treating her son. It’s not going to work, it won’t do him any good, and it just makes for an unpleasant conversation for both of us. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/410 "2018-12-05T19:15:00Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > So, you are saying you aren’t just an extremist on the internet, you are also a dick to your “friends”? Not a _complete_ dick… ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/411 "2018-12-05T19:16:22Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Not a _complete_ dick… But he keeps trying… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/412 "2018-12-05T19:24:15Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > If it’s at all possible to gently persuade circumcised men not to circumcise their sons, without calling too much attention to what’s been lost, I think that’s the preferred option. Ignorance is bliss. Unfortunately, simply saying the procedure is “painful and unnecessary” doesn’t convey the full gravity of how bad it is. It’s not just painful, but extremely painful, even tortuous. It’s not just “unnecessary” but actually harmful. When the gentle approach doesn’t work, forcefully shoving the Red Pill down an expectant parents throat may be the last ditch option. > > I have a friend who is getting married soon, who is stubbornly insisting that if he has a son, he will have him circumcised. Despite all my efforts to discuss this issue, it’s like talking to a brick wall. If my friend does end up having a son, my last ditch effort will be to issue this ultimatum: If you cut your son, the day that your son turns 18, I’m going to share with him all the information on circumcision I’ve tried to share with you. It will then be up to him to decide how that influences his relationship with you. Circumcision is commonly accepted now in our society, but can you be absolutely sure that attitudes won’t change two decades from now? I don’t have the power to stop you, but I feel so strongly about this that I will jeopardize our friendship in an effort to persuade you not to do it. You are a complete asshole. You have a “discussion” with a friend, and when you don’t get total capitulation when it comes to something that is none of your fucking business, you resort to extortion?? 1. Get help. 2. Stay the fuck away from other people’s children. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/413 "2018-12-05T19:48:44Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Sure, but every woman I have been with, without exception, has reported that circumcised guys need it (or at least want it) jackhammer style. That tells me an awful lot. > > Look, if and when we get to the point as a society where we stop doing this to anyone, male or female, I will definitely not have any desire to make anyone who was born before that societal change feel bad about what they had taken from them. But until then, it is unfortunately unavoidable to broach this subject if we are going to debunk the idea that (as BigT claimed upthread) men who were circumcised have not been harmed in any way. Your experience is subjective. You can swear by your genital configuration for enjoying sex, but believe me, no one who is already nipped will know if it’s any better or worse. They also don’t remember the pain. What’s the point in screaming about an unreversable process? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/414 "2018-12-05T20:10:44Z")
Why anyone bothers with the slackidiot with the example of the podcast masturbation thread, I do not understand. he will keep you all dancing for hiim for 50 more pages. the mentally ill person, sadly he is the sincere obsessive. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/415 "2018-12-05T20:27:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You are a complete asshole. You have a “discussion” with a friend, and when you don’t get total capitulation when it comes to something that is none of your fucking business, you resort to extortion?? > > 1. Get help. > 2. Stay the fuck away from other people’s children. If it helps, if **Blalron** ever does approach the 18 year old–and he almost certainly won’t–the kid will immediately say “Get the fuck away from me you fucking weirdo!” before Blalron has a chance to pull out the pics of cut and uncut penises. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/416 "2018-12-05T20:29:05Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Sure, but every woman I have been with, without exception, has reported that circumcised guys need it (or at least want it) jackhammer style. That tells me an awful lot. Huh. I’ve had a lot of women tell me that a lot of uncut guys basically masturbate themselves with their foreskin while having sex and they get almost nothing of the action. Your masturbation techniques described above would seem to bear that out. Be honest, were these women actually complaining about the “jackhammer”? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/417 "2018-12-05T20:30:47Z")
“Tyler, now that you’re 18, I’d like to talk with you about penises…” ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/418 "2018-12-05T20:39:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Huh. I’ve had a lot of women tell me that a lot of uncut guys basically masturbate themselves with their foreskin while having sex and they get almost nothing of the action. Your masturbation techniques described above would seem to bear that out. Be honest, were these women actually complaining about the “jackhammer”? “Without exception,” no less. I wonder, are these women volunteering their experience with cut men, or are they being questioned about it? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/419 "2018-12-05T20:51:12Z")
“Was it good for you, baby?!? Compared to your last circumcised sexual partner!” “Yeah, I liked those small, delicate movements of the foreskin over the glans.” ---
**Author:** ![catflea12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@catflea12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catflea12)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/420 "2018-12-05T20:53:20Z")
Personally, I think a cut penis is much better looking and functional than an uncut one, and I rather enjoy the jackhammering, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057/421 "2018-12-05T22:04:05Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > “Without exception,” no less. I wonder, are these women volunteering their experience with cut men, or are they being questioned about it? It is part of the script to see the dancing. And so now the thread is fully about what the troll and the obsessive want to talk about, with the masturbatory dick fantasies serving the male assertions about the female preferences - in the usual categorical fashions. and dancing after the pipers, one goes down their path… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genital-mutilation-of-young-girls-but-its-a-religious-thing/785057.md?page=22)