# Genius chimp shot by police **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 17, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223 "2009-02-17T03:20:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/121 "2009-02-20T01:46:37Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I saw on a news crawl today that the victims condition was described by doctors as “stable but critical.” I’ve never seen that before. I’m guessing it means: “She’s not going to die, but since her hands and face have been ripped off, ‘stable’ doesn’t really justice to this situation.” Ar eyou sure it doens’t mean " She’s stable, but compalining a lot." ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/122 "2009-02-20T01:57:53Z")
Wouldn’t it be awesome if that’s really what it meant? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/123 "2009-02-20T02:11:08Z")
stable but critical usually means “so far so good, but one itsy bitsy, teeny weeny wee thing could push patient into the great beyond”. head and face injuries bleed what seems to be gallons, keeping her blood volume and pressure stable is very, very, dicey. the fact that they have her as stable means they have a bit of a handle on it but that it could go bad really fast. also i’m figuring the chimp didn’t go to the dentist often and infection control is very dicey as well right now. i rather surprized they moved her in this condition. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/124 "2009-02-20T03:58:23Z")
Actually, in the case of Siegfried and Roy, what happened is that some idiotic audience member [tried to PET](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_%26_Roy#Roy.27s_tiger_injury) the tiger during the act, and in the ensueing panic, Mantecore tried to carry Roy off of the stage as a mother would her cubs. If he REALLY wanted to attack, he would have gone for the neck. I would also describe the duo more like zoo trainers than people who keep wild animals as pets. They seem to try and keep their animals in a sanctuary, rather than at home. Back to the OP-has their been any mention of the animal having his shots? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/125 "2009-02-20T04:22:59Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Back to the OP-has their been any mention of the animal having his shots? IIRC, there are no vaccines marketed or formulated or tested on primates. I can’t remember exactly on what vaccination protocol (if any) zoos are, other than basic quarantine, TB testing, and obtaining blood samples to test for infectious diseases. Also, different species can be susceptible to different diseases, or carriers of others. That said, the above mostly apply to zoo and research facility primates. It is illegal in many places to own these animals, and many vets refuse to see them, due in part to safety concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/126 "2009-02-20T17:25:57Z")
Any idea what a pet chimp sells for? They can’t be cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/127 "2009-02-20T17:53:17Z")
> [@KarlGrenze](#): > > IIRC, there are no vaccines marketed or formulated or tested on primates. [pedantic jackass] I think you mean “non-human primate” there. [/pedantic jackass] And now we just wait for Guadere to get to smiting. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/128 "2009-02-21T01:38:56Z")
I heard the 911 call and was horrified. I don’t find monkeys, apes, or chimps in movies or TV to be charming…I’d much rather watch them swinging from the trees in the Amazon and eating figs. That said, I’ve seen stories on Animal Planets where chimps will go on raids to other clans and cannibalize foreign chimps. They’ll even rip nursing babies away from mothers. I don’t think they can ever be truly domesticated and I hope Travis’ “mom” has a good insurance policy, because I think the Charla should sue her to hell and back again. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/129 "2009-02-21T02:17:10Z")
> [@Harmonious\_Discord](#): > > Has PETA blamed the victim yet? I was curious and went to their website. I saw one blog post [http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/02/rip\_travis.php](http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/02/rip_travis.php) but no blaming of the victim anywhere. What the blogger does say is that chimpanzees shouldn’t be pets, don’t belong in show business, that Connecticut should have laws banning chimpanzees as pets, and that depictions in the media make people think that chimpanzees are cuddly fun animals when they’re not. It sounds like they are saying the same kind of things that I read at the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/130 "2009-02-21T02:37:45Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Any idea what a pet chimp sells for? They can’t be cheap. Evidently, depending on where you look, anywhere around [a grand](http://www.adoos.ca/post/2470222/cute_chimp_for_sale) (for a “used” chimp) to [a grand and a half or two](http://gocounty.com/120044.html) (with deals on multiple chimps, buying in volume helps). Maybe as low as [300 for a bargain basement chimp.](http://www.adoos.us/post/4481122/outstanding_baby_chimpanzee_for_sale) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/131 "2009-02-21T05:41:32Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > I was curious and went to their website. I saw one blog post > [http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/02/rip\_travis.php](http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/02/rip_travis.php) > but no blaming of the victim anywhere. What the blogger does say is that chimpanzees shouldn’t be pets, don’t belong in show business, that Connecticut should have laws banning chimpanzees as pets, and that depictions in the media make people think that chimpanzees are cuddly fun animals when they’re not. It sounds like they are saying the same kind of things that I read at the SDMB. Well, in this case they’re right-it wasn’t the chimp’s fault-he was only doing WHAT CHIMPS DO. It would be like blaming a rabid dog for attacking someone. Chimps are viscious. The woman who owned him was a complete dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/132 "2009-02-21T14:28:52Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The woman who owned him was a complete dumbass. Yes, but not evil; just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![mischievous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mischievous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mischievous)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/133 "2009-02-21T15:31:48Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Thanks for the article. It was here on the Dope that I questioned the Bonobo thing and was soundly defeated. It was too good to be true. 🙂 Glad to be of help. I think the whole thing is oddly emblematic of how humans are always looking for animals that don’t act like, well, animals. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/134 "2009-02-22T05:41:09Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yes, but not evil; just stupid. Where did I say she was evil? (Or was it PETA who said that?) ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/135 "2009-02-22T09:57:17Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Any idea what a pet chimp sells for? They can’t be cheap. Peanuts. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/136 "2009-02-22T13:48:08Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Where did I say she was evil? (Or was it PETA who said that?) PETA thinks everyone with a pet is evil. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/137 "2009-02-22T14:11:12Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > You can listen to the 911 call [here](http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/connecticut/090217_Chimp_Attack_911_Call_Released). I link to this because it’s a really shocking call. But if we could only hear the _9/11 call_ where super chimp directed the hijackers. They killed him because he knew to much! ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/138 "2009-02-22T17:22:07Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > [pedantic jackass] > > I think you mean “non-human primate” there. > > [/pedantic jackass] > > And now we just wait for Guadere to get to smiting. As you said, sir. 😉 I forget sometimes the “non-human” part, since my job deals only with “non-human”. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/139 "2009-03-05T15:45:34Z")
[Update on victim.](http://www.courant.com/news/health/hc-chimp0305.artmar05,0,504809.story) Not exactly encouraging. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223/140 "2009-03-05T16:24:10Z")
It’s all the victim’s fault. She had an new hairdo and the chimp didn’t recognize her. ETA: PETA doesn’t think dogs, cats, hamsters, or fish should be pets. PETA doesn’t support the Seeing Eye/Hearing Ear dog program. PETA doesn’t suppor thte Vachss dog program training dogs to help victims of child molestation. PETA is stupid. And evil. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genius-chimp-shot-by-police/486223.md?page=8)