# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/501 "2011-05-26T23:57:35Z")
I’d love to hear the logic behind that. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/502 "2011-05-26T23:58:31Z")
If you can post a screenshot, then all of Town can post a screenshot, and the slum team will have to get busy with Photoshop. Seems like a game-breaker, in a bad way. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/503 "2011-05-26T23:58:55Z")
\*\* Can I post a screenshot, Red?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/504 "2011-05-27T00:06:55Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > If you can post a screenshot, then all of Town can post a screenshot, and the slum team will have to get busy with Photoshop. Seems like a game-breaker, in a bad way. Better watch out, calling the other teams the “slum” team will get you lynched. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/505 "2011-05-27T00:18:20Z")
fwiw, I could post a screenshot of a faked role PM without using Photoshop. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/506 "2011-05-27T00:28:30Z")
Mine matches Astral’s. I believe he got his PM in the format given, whether the details have been messed with or not. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/507 "2011-05-27T00:31:08Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Mine matches Astral’s. I believe he got his PM in the format given, whether the details have been messed with or not. **Unvote: Astral** for the time being. though I don’t have a better candidate ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/508 "2011-05-27T00:37:39Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Mine matches Astral’s. I believe he got his PM in the format given, whether the details have been messed with or not. Noted. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/509 "2011-05-27T00:38:14Z")
Ha, funny. Astral, can you answer my questions from the top of the last page? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/510 "2011-05-27T00:39:14Z")
NETA: that was @ Ed, not fubbles. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/511 "2011-05-27T00:40:17Z")
First of all my home pc died so expect weird participation and lots of smartphone related typos. That said, I need to respond to two things in Pleo’s post. 1. I have seen a night cycle game start referred to as Night 0, Night 1, and Early Start. Either way it is probably moot until someone claims to have used a power on Night 0. 2. Regarding Tiger Balls, I am only riffing on my character name and universe. I could reveal that without too much in the way of worry if you really think it is necessary, and I cannot see any reason Tom would be saying it that wouuld relate to my character–it’s a throwaway line in context. While we don’t often have theme games, I have a habit of tossing in verbal tics of characters I have been assigned if I can’t see any way it will hurt me or town. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/512 "2011-05-27T00:53:25Z")
Normal, the only question I see is “what do you like about the Sister Coyote case.” I’d be happy to elaborate when I get home. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/513 "2011-05-27T01:01:06Z")
That plus your promised review of gnarlycharlie. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/514 "2011-05-27T01:05:59Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. I didn’t play with words. You tried to change the meaning of what you said. You said you poke people to get reactions and later tried to make it sound like you poke holes in arguments. There is a big difference. > > 2. Poking people just to get reactions and sitting back and seeing? Yeah, that’s scummy. > > 3. I don’t care if others have disagreed with me. Why would I? > > 4. I’m not voting you(I only get one vote), but if it makes you feel better, you are my top suspect after Astral. Happy? Re: no 3, why is that scummy? Aren’t reactions good? More information for town. Having said that, I don’t like the way **gnarlycharlie** shifts ground as soon as he is challenged on anything. After **Normal** commented on his lack of **Astral** vote, he straight away voted for **Astral**. When **Mahaloth** didn’t like his wording, he changed it. I don’t know if that is a scummy thing to do or just his style. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/515 "2011-05-27T01:10:13Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > you could post a screenshot of the pm, perhaps > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Will do. I’m at work right now, screenshot will be up later tonight. > [@Weedy](#): > > Re: no 3, why is that scummy? Aren’t reactions good? More information for town. > > Having said that, I don’t like the way **gnarlycharlie** shifts ground as soon as he is challenged on anything. After **Normal** commented on his lack of **Astral** vote, he straight away voted for **Astral**. When **Mahaloth** didn’t like his wording, he changed it. I don’t know if that is a scummy thing to do or just his style. I think you mean “Re: No 2” It’s scummy because “poke to get a reaction and then duck out” is a way to focus attention on others, which is beneficial to scum. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/516 "2011-05-27T01:11:13Z")
Uh, ignore those first two quotes. Those must have been tagged for quoting from earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/517 "2011-05-27T01:12:23Z")
Oh, and my role pm goes in the same order as Sister’s claim. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/518 "2011-05-27T01:34:50Z")
Pleonast – Two comments related to me: > [@](#): > > This is an odd statement. Why does **Normal** ask for a reason for there to be a McGuffin? We know the color may be operative, because the moderator said so. The moderator made explicit mention of a noose in the opening color. It’s a reasonable inference. Not in the full context of that color. The noose is stated as the goal of everyone here, but locked up away from us for now (presumably but not certainly until the end of the game). It’s not a direct step from there to “somebody has the noose”, and it’s therefore necessary to ask whether Mahaloth knows something the rest of us don’t. > [@](#): > > This bothers me. If **Astral** is what they claim, forcing the claim was anti-town. A player with a lot of heat is not going to be Night-killed by scum. By forcing the claim, if truthful, we signed an investigator’s death warrant. > > We should be voting to lynch, not voting to force claims. If **Astral** is not town, then there’s no point in forcing a claim. Simply lynch them. I disagree completely here (about the value of claims). The claim is part of the sum total of evaluating a player, and it very frequently (though not here) turns out definitive in one direction or the other. Astral had enough suspicion on him, for a solid enough reason, that his claiming was IMO needed, and I’m not going to beat around the bush about such things. If you’re implying that I didn’t vote to lynch, then you either don’t understand me or are trying to put me in a bad light deliberately. Holding me potentially responsible for the OUTCOME of Astral’s claim (in the event that he is town) as well as the fact THAT he claimed (something you also subtly exaggerate by referring to what I did as “forcing” anything) is disingenuous. Especially given your repeated assertions that you think Astral is likely not town. And some other odds and ends: > [@](#): > > Assuming **Astral** is being truthful, I’m now thinking that **Red** ’s reply indicates the existence of a godfather (who is aligned scum, but not a member of ALE), and not necessarily third parties (who are not aligned scum, and not members of ALE). This is possible, actually; or it could even be both. I’m reminded of Screamers again, where the main detective couldn’t touch the godfather (who did not investigate as a Screamer) or the serial killer (who just plain wasn’t one). > [@](#): > > Games with Night starts where powers are usable call it “Night One”. The “Zero” part indicates that it is not regular Night. As has been mentioned, not universally true. > [@](#): > > This post is doing exactly what the poster is complaining about. > > I find most accusations of “smudging” to be weak. Townies must express suspicion about other players–that, along with votes, is how we figure out who is scum. Attacking players for doing so is extremely counter-productive. > > Only players who backhandedly throw suspicion should be called out. Players who are up front about should not be. Good god yes. > [@](#): > > This is an anti-town vote. Instead of voting for whoever you find most suspicious, you vote to prevent yourself from being lynched. You are completely avoiding taking any responsibility for your vote, taking the expedient route instead. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Currently I’m most suspicious of > vote SisterCoyote For the vote alone, or anything else? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/519 "2011-05-27T01:43:42Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, and my role pm goes in the same order as Sister’s claim. enough of this, please ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/520 "2011-05-27T02:30:38Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > enough of this, please Heh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=27)