# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/801 "2011-06-03T19:20:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > That does not address the question I asked: do you think I’m scum because of the reasons you stated previously? > > This might seem pedantic, but players need to be clear about why they think someone is scum. It helps townies to evaluate motivations. So far, you’ve stated reasons for voting for me. And you’ve stated you think I’m scum. Now, please, connect the two. 😕 Okay. My interpretation of your behavior leads me to believe you are scum, and so I have voted for you. I hope this is satisfactory. I think it’s odd that you’re spending more time trying to get me to phrase things to your satisfaction, than disabuse me of the notion you’re scum in the first place. Are you trying to hypnotize me or something? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/802 "2011-06-03T19:42:45Z")
> [@Winston\_Smith](#): > > Okay. My interpretation of your behavior leads me to believe you are scum, and so I have voted for you. > > I hope this is satisfactory. Yes, that addresses my question. As I’ve said, townies need to vote for who they think is likely scum and explain why they think so. Giving reasons for voting that have nothing to do with the target being scum is anti-town. Now, I can ask a follow-on question: why do you think my “soft claim” and “lame response” mean I’m scum? > [@](#): > > I think it’s odd that you’re spending more time trying to get me to phrase things to your satisfaction, than disabuse me of the notion you’re scum in the first place. I doubt I can disabuse you of your notion. I truthfully explained my actions; you found it unsatisfactory. What else can I do? However, I ask you to explain yourself more explicitly, to make it easier for others to judge your motivations for your vote. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/803 "2011-06-03T19:53:17Z")
I must say that even though I made a mistake about **Inner Stickler** voting for **Sisc** I feel that this makes me even more suspicious. **Stanislaus** got me reading everything **Inner** has posted and\*\* Inner\*\* hasn’t said anything except telling\*\* Astral\*\* to read more games, before you say I am not being honest, he did say he may have to rethink his position (sorry if I have given Inner a sex change) Also by saying **Inner** hasn’t said anything, that is also totally misleading, he has written an awful lot about how to play the game and about other games he has played. @ Normal, no I am not voting for **gnarly** now. I am as mad as hell at him but I have seen him do seemingly incredibly stupid things before (I didn’t want to mention this at 1st cos it’s meta gaming and he’s been accusing me of that all along) and he came out smelling of roses. I have also read every post that \*\*Normal \*\*has posted, looking for a fault obviously and for the life of me I can’t find one 😛 I have 3 people on my radar at the moment and I am watching very carefully, they are **Inner** , **SisC** and **gnarly**. I had all this typed out so wonderfully the first time and then my internet crashed Again!!! so I rewrote my thoughts quickly and I hope I make sense, I am prepared to answer any questions you may have. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/804 "2011-06-03T19:59:03Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Yes, that addresses my question. As I’ve said, townies need to vote for who they think is likely scum and explain why they think so. Giving reasons for voting that have nothing to do with the target being scum is anti-town. > > Now, I can ask a follow-on question: why do you think my “soft claim” and “lame response” mean I’m scum? > > I doubt I can disabuse you of your notion. I truthfully explained my actions; you found it unsatisfactory. What else can I do? > > However, I ask you to explain yourself more explicitly, to make it easier for others to judge your motivations for your vote. So, this guy goes into a restaurant and orders a bowl of soup. The waiter brings him the soup and disappears off to the kitchen. After a couple minutes, the guy calls the waiter over and says “I want you to try the soup”. The waiter says “Is it too hot?” “Try it.” “Is it too cold?” “Try it!” “Well, what’s wrong with it??!” “Nothing. Will you just try it??” “I can’t. There’s no spoon.” “Ah HA!” Indeed. You’re original claim was you were _ **neither town nor scum** _. And I, thinking I’d NAILED you, forgot what I nailed you for. So no, I don’t think you’re scum. I think you’re third party. How embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/805 "2011-06-03T20:06:49Z")
> [@Winston\_Smith](#): > > Indeed. You’re original claim was you were _ **neither town nor scum** _. And I, thinking I’d NAILED you, forgot what I nailed you for. So no, I don’t think you’re scum. > > I think you’re third party. > > How embarrassing. You mean this claim? > [@Pleonast](#): > > Finally! the streak is broken and I’m neither scum nor vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/806 "2011-06-03T20:17:14Z")
Yep ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/807 "2011-06-03T20:19:49Z")
So, if you’re not vanilla and not scum, what are you? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/808 "2011-06-03T20:26:47Z")
_ **blinks coquettishly** _ ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/809 "2011-06-03T20:30:39Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > _ **blinks coquettishly** _ :: blush :: ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/810 "2011-06-03T20:31:43Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > _ **blinks coquettishly** _ So you are Third Party??? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/811 "2011-06-03T20:32:53Z")
Or you have a Town role? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/812 "2011-06-03T20:38:15Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > _ **blinks coquettishly** _ Normal, don’t read too much into this, I just got excited lol ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/813 "2011-06-03T20:52:50Z")
**Pleonast** : what is your alignment? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/814 "2011-06-03T20:58:37Z")
I am a member of “Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords”. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/815 "2011-06-03T21:04:23Z")
Thanks for clarifying. For what it’s worth, I don’t believe you, and I won’t stop suspecting you until you acknowledge and respond to my questions regarding your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/816 "2011-06-03T21:20:51Z")
Can you point me to them? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/817 "2011-06-03T21:33:16Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Normal, don’t read too much into this, I just got excited lol LOL, don’t worry, I’m not. The Pleonast show is something to see. Pleonast 101: How to get the townies AND the scum in a tizzy, regardless of one’s own alignment, frequently ending in one’s own lynch, and NOT CARE. Furthermore, how to stay resolutely convinced that oneself is the only one around playing the game properly, and everyone else are dingbats. _tips hat, in all sincerity_ Mostly. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/818 "2011-06-03T21:44:51Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Why are you asking that? I thought it possible his response might be illuminating of his alignment. I think scum would be slightly more likely than town to give up a name, in order to ingratiate themselves. In other words I think Astral’s response was the more townie one. > [@](#): > > While **ed** might have been killed because of their unfinished examination of me, I think I know why. And since this could have important ramifications, I’m going to describe it. _nod_ Obviously it had occurred to me as well what Ed was getting at, but I’m not going to say anything else about it at this time. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/819 "2011-06-03T21:48:57Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Can you point me to them? If you’d like to review my posts on the subject you’re welcome to do so. But you know damn well that I’m referring to wanting to know why you claimed non-vanilla town. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/820 "2011-06-03T21:51:02Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > If you’d like to review my posts on the subject you’re welcome to do so. But you know damn well that I’m referring to wanting to know why you claimed non-vanilla town. As I told **Winston** , I’ve already answered that question truthfully. You don’t find it satisfactory. What more can I do? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=42)