# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/921 "2011-06-09T16:41:41Z")
Also: **vote Pleonast** I do think you are scum, but I am giving you a chance to save yourself on the slim chance that you are a Town power role – plus, I believe that if you are scum, you will not make a proper claim and this will help me get you lynched quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/922 "2011-06-09T16:51:30Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > It’s all of two pages back, Pleo, nor was it exactly hidden away. > Post 850: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13883537&postcount=850](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13883537&postcount=850) > Post 821: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13876666&postcount=821](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13876666&postcount=821) If it’s important enough to deserve a vote, it’s important enough to restated or linked to. Making other players scan through multiple pages to find your reasons does not help town. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Also, you haven’t claimed at all, Pleo. If you want to say you refuse on the basis of what fluid has to say, then do so, but an implication that you are a town power role is not a claim. Call it what you want, it’s all I intend to say at this time: > [@Pleonast](#): > > Finally! the streak is broken and I’m neither scum nor vanilla. > [@fluiddruid](#): > > I do think you are scum, but I am giving you a chance to save yourself on the slim chance that you are a Town power role – plus, I believe that if you are scum, you will not make a proper claim and this will help me get you lynched quickly. Eh, your choice. I’ve been lynched before for not revealing what I do not think is pro-town to reveal. Winning is more important than staying alive. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/923 "2011-06-09T16:52:00Z")
Pleo, I still think we were wrong for not lynching Astral on Day 1. I think he is third party or scum. The only reason I voted to lynch gnarly yesterDay was because his changing what he had said about poking people. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/924 "2011-06-09T16:59:51Z")
Hey guys! I was surprisingly **not blocked** last night, and I have a result to share with you! However, I’m going to wait to share it with you until my PM’d question to the moderator has been answered. There’s some wonkiness going on with his response, and I want to make sure it’s accurate and not a mistake (and thus, something I shouldn’t know or share with the group). ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/925 "2011-06-09T17:04:35Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Eh, your choice. I’ve been lynched before for not revealing what I do not think is pro-town to reveal. Winning is more important than staying alive. Very well. I can’t speak for everyone but I find this damning based on the below. Here is my PM. This is the entire contents, with no omissions or changes. > [@](#): > > Name: Anton Gorodetski > Alignment: Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords > Universe/Story: The Nightwatch > Role: Bomb Detector > Powers: Each night you may choose a player to scan for “out of place” materials. > Wincondition: You win when all threats to the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords have been vanquished AND at least one member of the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords are alive. As the PM states, I investigate once per Night, but I didn’t have much of an idea of the actual context of what I was looking for and who has those powers. Common-sense-wise it seems likely that the bomber wouldn’t be town (otherwise, why give town a detector?) but in a closed setup I take nothing for granted. In any case, during the first night I opted to investigate Astral Rejection. The response that I got was: > [@](#): > > You find “out of place” about Astral Rejection’s Person I wasn’t exactly sure what this meant given the strange syntax, but it does concern me. I decided to wait a second night at least to get some results on other people to get a better idea of what this meant (as well as make sure I wasn’t insane, etc.) and to get a ‘control’ value at the very least. The second Night, as I stated earlier, I investigated Pleonast. The result I got was: > [@](#): > > You learn that a Bomb has been implanted in Mahaloth. I did write back to Red to make sure this is supposed to say Malaloth (not Pleonast, my target) and did receive an affirmative response. The only two ideas I had for possible interpretations of this result were: 1- Pleonast is a Bomber for the scum team and/or a third party Bomber. This doesn’t seem to be a normal night kill and seems to take awhile to kill (since Mahaloth isn’t dead yet), so I am guessing this to be a Mad Bomber situation and/or a limited-use additional scum kill. 2 - Pleonast is a Townie as he says, but has a power that deflects investigation in some way, or obfuscates investigation otherwise, and I just happened to be lucky enough to get a successful investigation on Mahaloth. This seems unlikely because he seems to be trying to attract investigations through being a provocateur, but I considered it a possibility. 3 - Pleonast is a Town Bomber (which seems unlikely given both his behavior, the fact that he wouldn’t claim even when I advised him of my findings, and the target of Mahaloth) As such I wanted to give Pleonast the opportunity to come clean. If he’s scum, then he wouldn’t know that I wasn’t detecting something off about his alignment, and thus he wouldn’t have the chance to come up with a convincing after-the-fact lie about how his role would implicate him in bombing Mahaloth. If he was town, knowing that he was investigated would only really have the chance to be about the specifics of his role, so he’d have the opportunity to share that and survive. Because he chose not to I would assume that he is in fact scum or third party, and believes that I got an alignment result and would like to try to refute it afterward, acting the innocent. Also: sorry, Mahaloth. Hope there’s a defuser role or something. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/926 "2011-06-09T17:08:39Z")
Well, that pretty much answers my question to Red, then. I got a similar response: [QUOTE=Red Skeezix] [QUOTE=Astral Rejection] Let’s try Winston tonight! [/QUOTE] You learn that Mahaloth is not a member of the Associated League of Evil. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/927 "2011-06-09T17:09:47Z")
NETA: So it seems whatever happened last night also redirected our powers onto Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/928 "2011-06-09T17:10:47Z")
Okay. First, based on **Fluid** ’s post, **vote Astral** who I guess was hoping to brazen out a Mad Bomber victory. Now, to share with the class: I have a magic bag. My magic bag allows me to target certain players with certain results, and has no effect if I target certain other players. Last night, I targeted an eligible player, and instead received a null result as my ability instead targeted Mahaloth, who was not an eligible player. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/929 "2011-06-09T17:11:51Z")
Huh. My post was meant to go right after Fluid’s. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/930 "2011-06-09T17:13:19Z")
What leads you to believe that the Bomb is anything more than a tag? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/931 "2011-06-09T17:14:44Z")
Going away to lunch, I think we can safely assume that someone mass-redirected to Mahaloth. **unvote** as I think I jumped to too early a conclusion about what “out of place” meant. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/932 "2011-06-09T17:14:49Z")
Fluid, this part puzzles me: > [@](#): > > You find “out of place” about Astral Rejection’s Person Is that exactly how Red sent you the PM, or did you accidentally mangle it while composing your post? There’s one or two possible missing words going on here. Either the PM meant you found NO “out of place” MATERIALS about me, or you DID find “out of place” MATERIALS about me. Did you accidentally remove a word or two, or is that exactly how it was sent? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/933 "2011-06-09T17:15:42Z")
Aaaaand, I think we can stop partially claiming or magic bagging now. It’s clear that all night actions were redirected to Mahaloth and so unless you have useful information or a lead on scum, please stop revealing power roles to the scum, please? ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/934 "2011-06-09T17:16:55Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Fluid, this part puzzles me: > Is that exactly how Red sent you the PM, or did you accidentally mangle it while composing your post? There’s one or two possible missing words going on here. Either the PM meant you found NO “out of place” MATERIALS about me, or you DID find “out of place” MATERIALS about me. > > Did you accidentally remove a word or two, or is that exactly how it was sent? Nope, that is exactly how it was sent to me. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/935 "2011-06-09T17:18:16Z")
Also: well, that bites. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/936 "2011-06-09T17:19:16Z")
Huh. Weird. (My question is not to imply I find you scummy for it… you getting the same kind of result as me has thoroughly notched you as ‘town’ for the time being. It was just a question.) ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/937 "2011-06-09T17:20:04Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Huh. Weird. > > (My question is not to imply I find you scummy for it… you getting the same kind of result as me has thoroughly notched you as ‘town’ for the time being. It was just a question.) No, that’s not the part that bites. The part that bites is that we’ve gotten such confusing results as to make two town investigative roles claim. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/938 "2011-06-09T17:21:39Z")
My “Huh. Weird.” was in response to this: > [@](#): > > Nope, that is exactly how it was sent to me. Hopefully that’s cleared up now! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/939 "2011-06-09T17:24:34Z")
Now you’ve got me curious about what kind of “out of place material” you could have found on me. Perhaps I’ve been targeted by some other kind of power? Maybe my investigative power uses “tools” or something, and you’re detecting those? Maybe somebody tried to protect me on Day 1? Puzzling. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/940 "2011-06-09T17:28:30Z")
So I guess we can…theorize some sort of one-time mass redirection power? Maybe? Also, I think we can probably trust \*\*fluiddruid \*\* is actually a power role, or else we should be distrusting \*\*Astral \*\*and \*\*Tom \*\*as well–\*\*fluid \*\*was the first person to mention redirection to **Mahaloth** , and two subsequent people have mentioned that to be the case as well. (which fits the color). More tellingly, \*\*fluiddruid \*\*didn’t mention the possibility of a mass redirect. The problem now for me is trying to square that with \*\*fluid’s \*\*result on **Astral**. I can see \*\*Tom’s \*\*logic, except that if \*\*Astral \*\*was trying to brazen something out, why would he have faked an investigation result on **Mahaloth**? There isn’t any way to tell what the alignment of the unknown redirector was, so unless \*\*Astral \*\*has SOME investigatory power, he’d be taking a shot in the dark. Granted, pointing someone out as “not evil” is as good a shot as any–what’s \*\*Mahaloth \*\*going to do, come out with “No, I’m actually ALE/PFK!”? Goddamn WIFOM. The other thing is–given that we can surmise a mass redirect, from the claims made thus far, I don’t think this result actually says anything one way or another about **Pleonast**. **Mahaloth** , do you have anything to say about the fact that we have three people claiming to have been redirected to you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=48)