# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1121 "2011-06-16T03:21:48Z")
WRT poisoner: Everyone voted Days One and Two. Two people, Pleo and pede, did not vote yesterDay. One of those two people was poisoned. May just be coincidence, I dunno. But it’s the first thing I noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1122 "2011-06-16T03:22:58Z")
Yummier than Astral, Tom, Fluid or me? (Although, if Fluid is chasing after a PFK, the scum may not care right now.) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1123 "2011-06-16T03:24:26Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > May just be coincidence, I dunno. But it’s the first thing I noticed. Heh, I was thinking about the utility of looking throgh his posts for wifom. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1124 "2011-06-16T04:09:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yummier than Astral, Tom, Fluid or me? (Although, if Fluid is chasing after a PFK, the scum may not care right now.) That’s exactly what I was thinking, AND a third-party might not have a cover. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1125 "2011-06-16T05:14:32Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > WRT poisoner: Everyone voted Days One and Two. Two people, Pleo and pede, did not vote yesterDay. One of those two people was poisoned. > > May just be coincidence, I dunno. But it’s the first thing I noticed. WRT poisoner: presuming Red is not being unique (a pretty big presumption, I’ll admit), typically in mafia a poison kill refers to a delayed kill ([Mafiascum: Poisoner](http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Poisoner)). Something to think about before you presume it had to do with Pleo’s actions or lack thereof yesterday. Also, at this point, I’m going to play Lynch the Lurker until I go back over the game again. **vote pedescribe** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1126 "2011-06-16T07:34:24Z")
What a strange game this is, I haven’t played with a poisoner in the game before. I read that the poison kills a day later so I want to see who **Pleo** was looking into on Day 2. @ **Weedy** , I am also mostly confused. I don’t really see why **Inner** claimed so early, it seems to me that he has quite an important role (all my hard work down the drain now, sorry **Inner** ) Won’t he be a scum target now? I don’t know what to think at the moment since I was totally wrong so I am going back to read what\*\* Pleo \*\*had to say and hopefully gain some insight into who I think is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1127 "2011-06-16T07:53:06Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > @ **Weedy** , I am also mostly confused. I don’t really see why **Inner** claimed so early, Because the current rate of attrition means we don’t have more than one mislynch or two before we’re at LyLo and we don’t have the resources to waste one on me. > [@](#): > > it seems to me that he has quite an important role Meh, paranoid doctors are kinda sucky, yeah, I could potentially prevent a NK but it’s more likely that I’ll just prevent a crucial role from carrying out their business. > [@](#): > > (all my hard work down the drain now, sorry **Inner** ) Won’t he be a scum target now? Just joining the ever growing list. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1128 "2011-06-16T08:52:03Z")
I still haven’t finished reading but what I have found interesting is that\*\* Pedescribe **voted for** Pleo \*\*on Day 1 and Day 2 and did not vote on D3. I know **Pedescribe** has been missing but what if he knew Pleo would die and didn’t want to vote for him again. This looks very fishy to me and I tend to agree that in this game we need to Lynch the Lurkers. **Vote Pedescribe** ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1129 "2011-06-16T12:12:25Z")
FYI all, I checked Silver Jan for bombs last night and none were detected. More soon. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1130 "2011-06-16T12:25:31Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I still haven’t finished reading but what I have found interesting is that\*\* Pedescribe **voted for** Pleo \*\*on Day 1 and Day 2 and did not vote on D3. I know **Pedescribe** has been missing but what if he knew Pleo would die and didn’t want to vote for him again. This looks very fishy to me and I tend to agree that in this game we need to Lynch the Lurkers. > > Vote Pedescribe Oh my good lord. That is the most contrived rationale for blatant bandwagoning lynch-the-lurker I have ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1131 "2011-06-16T12:31:41Z")
I too will be interested know if Mahaloth can confirm Inner’s story. Generally, I don’t see any particular reason to believe Inner’s claim - the only person we know who could confirm having been blocked had already announced he was blocked. Plus I see early claims as a sign that the claimee doesn’t think he/she can argue the case against them. Assuming for the moment that all our claimed power roles are accurate: fluid and Tom aren’t a threat to the Scum, and may even be a bit of an asset; Astral is a threat, but seems to have been neutralised; Inner is a threat as much for his ability to e.g. block the scum role-blocker as for his chance of stopping the kill. Therefore claiming wasn’t actually a life-preserving kind of move for a Town Inner. \*\* vote Inner Stickler\*\* Lynch the lurker is a good place to start a Day, but a bad way to finish. So hopefully pede will show up. Even if not, it’s a pretty uncontroversial place for people to leave their votes, and so slightly suspicious IMHO. Tom - who did you try to investigate Night Two? Who did you investigate last Night? If you’re on the level, don’t feel you have to share your results - Scum are at least as interested in knowing if they’ve killed a power role as we are. Also, if Tom is on the level, then being outed is problematic. He can confirm role-claims after death; if he finds an obviously contradictory role among the dead he can out a scum - but if for example he were to find that Hirka were a Doc, would that be proof Inner is lying abotu being paranoid Doc? However, if we ever succeed in lynching scum then the obvious move for the scum will be to get rid of the coroner before he tells us what scum role we’ve bagged. If Inner is telling the truth, he can’t protect Tom without blocking him, thus negating the power anyhow. Our only hope would be a(nother) protective role to look after him. On the Poisoner: All actions were focused on Mahaloth on Night Two - so Pleo can’t have been poisoned then. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1132 "2011-06-16T12:36:08Z")
About the prospect of a mass claim, which I didn’t get a chance to comment on directly last night – I think the risk/benefit is dependent on the value (that is, the honesty) of the claims that are out there thus far. If all are accurate, then we might be in decent condition for a mass claim, particularly if we have masons. If some are false, particularly Inner Stickler’s, that’s different. To what extent do you trust him, Astral? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1133 "2011-06-16T12:39:30Z")
Stanislaus: I will say who I investigated, and the result I received, before Dawn, unless someone makes a claim that doesn’t jibe with what I know. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1134 "2011-06-16T12:40:09Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Astral, do you want me to respond to the things you said about me yesterday? I can give you all my reasoning for what I said and didn’t say if you think that will help. Seconded Astral’s “sure” response; his post plus your “Pleonast Pleonast Pleonast vote SomeoneElse” post yesterday put you on my radar. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1135 "2011-06-16T12:42:33Z")
NETA: Catching up sucks, I see you did respond. One moment. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1136 "2011-06-16T12:47:18Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > WRT poisoner: Everyone voted Days One and Two. Two people, Pleo and pede, did not vote yesterDay. One of those two people was poisoned. > > May just be coincidence, I dunno. But it’s the first thing I noticed. It is interesting, particularly given how much suspicion Pleonast had gotten (as compared to pedescribe, who’s gotten none up to now). I’ve never seen a poisoner as a vig (and only once seen a vig who was limited to killing those who had not voted the previous day), but at this point I’d say it’s a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1137 "2011-06-16T12:54:22Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > What a strange game this is, I haven’t played with a poisoner in the game before. I read that the poison kills a day later so I want to see who **Pleo** was looking into on Day 2. > > @ **Weedy** , I am also mostly confused. I don’t really see why **Inner** claimed so early, it seems to me that he has quite an important role (all my hard work down the drain now, sorry **Inner** ) Won’t he be a scum target now? Weedy wasn’t even talking about the current situation when she said she was confused, why even reference her here? This is so tangential, but this isn’t the first time you’ve referenced your own confusion. I’ve seen that from scum too often. About Inner, that sure was a quick turnaround given he hasn’t remotely proven that he is telling the truth. And if you do believe him without question (as the “I’m sorry” strongly implies), why bother even asking why he claimed? Another thing I see scum do quite often, asking irrelevant questions of people they say they trust or who are confirmed town. > [@](#): > > I don’t know what to think at the moment since I was totally wrong so I am going back to read what\*\* Pleo \*\*had to say and hopefully gain some insight into who I think is scum. I look forward to it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1138 "2011-06-16T12:56:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Meh, paranoid doctors are kinda sucky, yeah, I could potentially prevent a NK but it’s more likely that I’ll just prevent a crucial role from carrying out their business. Just joining the ever growing list. Apropos of nothing but future night actions, if you are town (and not using it to protect Astral), consider using it aggressively as a roleblock, against suspects. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1139 "2011-06-16T13:00:23Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > I too will be interested know if Mahaloth can confirm Inner’s story. I can confirm his story. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1140 "2011-06-16T13:03:06Z")
…and another perfectly good case gets ruined by facts: **unvote Inner Stickler** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=58)