# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1181 "2011-06-17T06:42:08Z")
If my review is correct the claims are: Explicit claims:[ul] [li] Astral Rejection - Weak Cop [234][/li][li] Inner Stickler - Paranoid Doctor [1097][/li][li] fluiddruid - Bomb Detector [925][/li][li] SisterCoyote - Vanilla [467][/li][/ul] Soft claims:[ul] [li] Tom Scud - Coroner [1083][/li][li] Mahaloth[/li][/ul] Not claimed:[ul] [li] Zeriel[/li][li] nesta[/li][li] pedescribe[/li][li] Normal Phase[/li][li] Winston Smith[/li][li] Stanislaus[/li][li] Silver Jan[/li][li] Weedy[/li][li] MHaye[/li][/ul] Dead (all mod confirmed as CARS):[ul] [li] Hirka T’Bawa - No Claim - Night 3[/li][li] Special Ed - No Claim - Night 2[/li][li] TexCat - Vanilla [1041] - Day 3[/li][li] fubbleskag - Remorseful Vig [648] - Day 1[/li][li] gnarlycharlie - No Claim - Day 2[/li][li] Pleonast - Soft claim of power - Night 3[/li][/ul] I count Tom Scud as a soft claim because he has claimed Coroner, but unless I missed it he hasn’t posted his PM. I include Mahaloth because he says he can confirm Inner’s block, implying a blockable power, though I don’t see any other claim by him. So 5 power role claims and 1 vanilla among the 15 living. If we include the dead we have 7 power role claims, 2 vanilla claims (one mod confirmed CARS, one still alive), 3 dead without claiming one way or another, and 9 alive and unclaimed. These numbers make me think that we are power role heavy, unless we’ve been unlucky in forcing that many claims, or there’s some scum gambit going on. If we have any masons or other mutually confirming roles I think we should mass claim. If not it might still be a good idea since we currently have almost as many claims as not, and a mass claim might lead to contradictions or further information that could help. The risk is that there might be power roles that would make better targets than the cop or doc, assuming they are legitimate, but having all the true claims out in the open might help us win the wifom. I’ve played in games where a mass claim was proposed, but not one where it was done – it would be interesting to see how it plays out. I need to do a full re-read of the game. With all these twists and claims I feel like I’ve lost track and need reevaluate. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1182 "2011-06-17T06:56:29Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Assuming this is not an all-power game (and Red’s sample PM, gnarly’s dying unclaimed, and arguably SisC’s claim all indicate that it’s not), then you’d expect several vanillas. Perhaps virtually all of those 8-9 players. Perhaps only 4 or so. Your list is missing that TexCat claimed vanilla and was mod confirmed to be CARS. Since he was town I doubt he lied about his role, which also confirms this isn’t an all-power game. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1183 "2011-06-17T07:20:29Z")
It seems I had a cut-paste error with Tom’s Coroner claim in my previous post, since for some reason it links to Inner’s post. The correct link is [[1083](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13920200&postcount=1083)]. It’s bugging me that Tom claimed Coroner but didn’t post his PM. Tom? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1184 "2011-06-17T08:06:22Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Not being sure what you mean here–people who don’t vote are hurting town by denying us information, so it makes sense to regard it as a scum tell in the absence of a post explaining an absence. That having been said: > > **SilverJan** , that has got to be one of the most convoluted rationales for what should be a straightforward decision (should we lynch people who are not participating, or not?) I’ve ever seen in mafia. Ok, yes, lynch people that are not participating because by not posting that is not helping Town at all!! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1185 "2011-06-17T08:44:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Red Skeezix > Name: Bernardo de la Paz > Alignment: Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords > Universe/Story: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress > Role: Vanilla > Powers: None > Wincondition: You win when all threats to the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords have been vanquished AND at least one member of the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords are alive. I didn’t want to post this but I think\*\* Normal\*\* should be looking for real Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1186 "2011-06-17T10:45:06Z")
> [@Winston\_Smith](#): > > [Specious?](http://giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=495085&postcount=227) I just had to look up specious and this is what I found. specious adjective fallacious, misleading, deceptive, plausible, unsound, sophistic, sophistical, casuistic The Duke was not convinced by such specious arguments. I am not sure what to make of it though. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1187 "2011-06-17T12:13:09Z")
pedescribe(2): Inner Stickler[1094], Silver Jan[1128] Silver Jan(1): Normal Phase[1108] Winston Smith(1): SisterCoyote[1167] Inner Stickler(0): [del]SisterCoyote[del][1095-1120][/del][/del], [del]Stanislaus[del][1131-1140][/del][/del] Mahaloth(0): [del]Winston Smith[del][1159-1173][/del][/del] Did Not Vote:Tom Scud, Mahaloth, Zeriel, nesta, pedescribe, fluiddruid, Winston Smith, Stanislaus, Weedy, MHaye, Astral Rejection With these votes pedescribe would be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1188 "2011-06-17T12:20:51Z")
**Vote Silver Jan** Mostly for the confused townie routine. Also for the LtL vote Also for being so vague all the time and the constant hedging. You’re hinting at suspicion in my direction now, maybe trying to capitalize on SisterC’s vote yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1189 "2011-06-17T12:27:21Z")
Name: Ender Wiggins Alignment: Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords Universe/Story: Speaker for the Dead Role: Coroner Powers: Each night you may choose a dead player to target. You will learn the full extent of their powers. Wincondition: You win when all threats to the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords have been vanquished AND at least one member of the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords are alive. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1190 "2011-06-17T12:29:21Z")
As for why I didn’t post it in my claim post, I was trying to get it under the 6:00 wire (which I did because I didn’t want to leave that open as a fairly easy scum fake claim if I did die). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1191 "2011-06-17T12:38:56Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Normal, I reread all of Silver Jan’s posts. I find her quite believable as town. If she is scum, then she has created some kind of fake ‘confused Townie’ persona, and writes all her posts in that way. That seems pretty elaborate to me. I think she’s “confused scum”. And I hope other people than will look at her posts. Astral’s been promising to since yesterDay, hasn’t yet. > [@](#): > > Mahaloth confirmed Inner. I’m wondering what other powers Mahaloth knows about because they were used against him on night 2 and if that’s what is prompting the suggestion for a mass claim. What if Mahaloth is godfather and Scum want to find out where the rest of the powers are. Is that something they would want to know? Yes, although since Astral is also strongly in favor of a mass claim, unless they are both scum (in which case Mahaloth wouldn’t have to be but probably still would be godfather, since Astral wouldn’t be able to be certain that no actual townie investigation power hit Mahaloth also), at least one townie sees advantages that outweigh that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1192 "2011-06-17T12:42:06Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Name: Ender Wiggins > Alignment: Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords > Universe/Story: Speaker for the Dead > Role: Coroner > Powers: Each night you may choose a dead player to target. You will learn the full extent of their powers. > Wincondition: You win when all threats to the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords have been vanquished AND at least one member of the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords are alive. Have you thought about sharing your results with us? I actually think it would be great to tell us what powers have died. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1193 "2011-06-17T12:43:03Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > OK, I thought about this some more, and if Mahaloth was scum, he probably wouldn’t have confirmed Inner Stickler’s power, so never mind that suggestion. > > Oh, unless they are both scum. > > How did you know, Mahaloth, that Inner used his power on you? The implication is that Mahaloth was roleblocked (twice); that is, he has some form of active power. If town, this is probably playing into his desire for a mass claim; whatever his role is is also to some extent outed now by his confirmation of Inner Stickler’s action. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1194 "2011-06-17T12:44:20Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I didn’t want to post this but I think\*\* Normal\*\* should be looking for real Scum. Thank you, but I think I am. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1195 "2011-06-17T12:46:18Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > Your list is missing that TexCat claimed vanilla and was mod confirmed to be CARS. Since he was town I doubt he lied about his role, which also confirms this isn’t an all-power game. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1196 "2011-06-17T12:48:21Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Have you thought about sharing your results with us? I actually think it would be great to tell us what powers have died. He has, with the exception of last night’s result. Fubbleskag told the truth (of course), and Mahaloth wasn’t dead. I presume he’s holding his results from last night due to the pending mass claim. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1197 "2011-06-17T12:59:50Z")
My role PM [QUOTE=Red Skeezix] Name: Juan Rico Universe/Story: Starship Troopers Role: Vanilla Alignment: Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords Powers: None Wincondition: You win when all threats to the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords have been vanquished AND at least one member of the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords are alive. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1198 "2011-06-17T14:58:37Z")
Did I miss a consensus that we were mass claiming, somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1199 "2011-06-17T16:03:00Z")
No consensus was reached. Posting from my phone at work, so I could be mistaken, but it looks like Silver Jan kicked it off, despite claiming that she “didn’t want to do it.” When I get home, I’ll be able to further develop a case, but Silver has indeed been looking suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1200 "2011-06-17T17:14:39Z")
Silver Jan seems to have posted mostly as a response to my suspicion of her/my comment that I’d like to see her PM. I don’t think that helps her case, but I don’t think the mass claim had much to do with it, either. Winston, I don’t know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=61)