# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1261 "2011-06-19T23:42:49Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Weedy has voted for me. I have two problems with the vote. > > Firstly, it came a bit out of the blue – in post [post=13928278]1203[/post] I was clearly explaining things and had a good (although now known to be wrong) reason for my Day 2 vote.He does not mention me again until he votes for me in post [post=13932334]1246[/post]. Apparently this is because I “pinged him” before voting for Pleo, but he does not say how I pinged him, and neither did he mention it in 1203, or at any time between those posts. I cannot defend myself against the charge if the grounds are never stated. > > Weedy, just how did I “ping” you? Why did you not mention it in 1203? > > While I’m on the subject of Weedy’s recent play, he voted Silver Jan then unvoted in post [post=13929601]1213[/post] because, fundamentally, “Mafia wouldn’t do that.” That’s not something to bet the house on around here, Weedy. It’s lost games for Town. (Notably Mafia 2 on this site.) I think there are things that ALE drinkers would not do; remember the Mafia are playing to win the game, and everything they do will be to forward that aim. Blatantly suicidal and retrograde actions won’t be taken deliberately. Do you think Silver Jan’s actions fall into that category? > > I want to pick a player to review. I’ll be back when I’m done. (I’m a she, BTW) I didn’t say you had a ‘good’ case against Pleo. I said you had a ‘clear’ case. In my mind, I was contrasting it with Normal Phase’s reasoning that I had to reread several times before I understood what she was saying. It pinged me in the way I said it did. You caught Pleonast in a logical contradiction. Being illogical is not necessarily a sign of scumminess, but you voted as if it was. That is what I saying in post 1203, and that is why I said then that you were ‘possible scum’. I don’t see how you can say it came out of the blue in 1246, when I’d just mentioned it in 1203. Is Silver Jan blatantly suicidal? She says that she is making cases for the sole reason of getting votes off her. I would say yes, that is blatantly suicidal, except that no one else seems to care, except Normal Phase. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **No I am being accused of pussyfooting around so you were my target,** I hope I haven’t offended you **but Normal is on my case for me not saying anything.** > > I am so MAD that gnarly didn’t come up with anything good, I had faith in him and he let me down!! I am really lost now, after n2, sorry if I was building a case out of thin air. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Well I did vote for you, are you telling me I an wrong **and yes I just picked on you ☹** > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Because I have been accused of just lynching the lurker and I wanted to back up my vote. I thought I had quite a good case against Inner but he put paid to that with his claim and I think it would be a bit odd to continue voting for the Doc. > \*\* > I have got a few votes against me so I thought I had to do some careful reading \*\*and Pedescribe hasn’t been playing. If he came back into the game I might have to do a rethink, depending on what he said. Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1262 "2011-06-19T23:47:44Z")
I’m up next; I already claimed (Ender Wiggin, Speaker for the Dead/Coroner). MHaye is up and then (aside from Pedescribe) we will have a full set. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1263 "2011-06-20T00:02:39Z")
I’m afraid to confess that I’ve never heard of me. [QUOTE=Red Skeezix] Name: General Teuche Kunessin Alignment: Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords Universe/Story: The Company Role: Vanilla Powers: None Wincondition: You win when all threats to the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords have been vanquished AND at least one member of the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords are alive. [/QUOTE] Weedy, my apologies on the gender confusion. I’ll try and remember in future. Back tomorrow evening now. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1264 "2011-06-20T00:31:16Z")
I attempted to investigate Gnarly on Night two, and did so on Night three, because I thought Rorschach was a more likely power role than Tyrion. He was vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1265 "2011-06-20T00:56:36Z")
Claims: 1. Astral Rejection - weak cop 2. Zeriel - 3p stealth survivor 3. Weedy - vanilla 4. Inner Stickler - paranoid doc 5. Stanislaus - vanilla 6. fluiddruid - bomb detector 7. Mahaloth - engineer(inventor kind of role) 8. pedescribe - NO IDEA 9. nesta - vanilla 10. Normal Phase - vanilla 11. Tom Scud - coroner 12. MHaye - vanilla 13. Silver Jan - vanilla 14. SisterCoyote - vanilla 15. Winston Smith - vanilla Am I right? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1266 "2011-06-20T01:28:55Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Claims: > > 1. Astral Rejection - weak cop > 2. Zeriel - 3p stealth survivor > 3. Weedy - vanilla > 4. Inner Stickler - paranoid doc > 5. Stanislaus - vanilla > 6. fluiddruid - bomb detector > 7. Mahaloth - engineer(inventor kind of role) > 8. pedescribe - NO IDEA > 9. nesta - vanilla > 10. Normal Phase - vanilla > 11. Tom Scud - coroner > 12. MHaye - vanilla > 13. Silver Jan - vanilla > 14. SisterCoyote - vanilla > 15. Winston Smith - vanilla > > Am I right? Looks about right. So a few obvious things: 1. We probably have a bomber out there hiding as some other claim. 1a) it’s not me, especially since I have that powerful automatic roleblock already that someone like \*\*Inner \*\*or \*\*Astral \*\*could test. 2. We have a more-than-average number of claimed power roles. At the same time, unless \*\*TexCat \*\*was playing poorly we know at least one person was honest-to-goodness vanilla. It’s entirely likely that scum are hiding among the vanilla, and it’s equally possible that at least one scum or PFK has hidden in the power roles. In other words, I don’t think the distribution of claims gives us much info regarding where the bad guys are hiding. 3. We don’t have a claimed vig active, which would have made the problem of \*\*pedescribe \*\*so much easier to deal with. 3a) Should we lynch **pedescribe**? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1267 "2011-06-20T01:30:41Z")
Oh, and 4) self-serving as it is, I can’t see any reasonable way to test the extant power roles claimed except for mine. Which means any test of mine is only as good as your trust for the person testing it. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1268 "2011-06-20T02:19:37Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Looks about right. > > So a few obvious things: > > 1. We probably have a bomber out there hiding as some other claim. > 1a) it’s not me, especially since I have that powerful automatic roleblock already that someone like \*\*Inner \*\*or \*\*Astral \*\*could test. I question your premise that a player could be a mad bomber or untargetable but not both. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1269 "2011-06-20T02:36:13Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I question your premise that a player could be a mad bomber or untargetable but not both. My only comment is this: we’ve seen so far a lot of claimed power roles that are not particularly powerful or have drawbacks. My power is medium-powerful and has a drawback (doesn’t block kills), not to mention the fact that it makes me look suspicious when it fires off. Besides, as I read it, I can’t be investigated meaningfully except to confirm the existence of my claimed power–thus I have no motive to claim this power AND third-party if I’m anything other than a truthful survivor. If I was a mad bomber I’d have nothing to lose by claiming town. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1270 "2011-06-20T02:58:12Z")
I’m dopey as all heck and can’t really think, but obvious questions for Mahaloth: – Did your night one action have any visible (to you) effect? – Was your night three action aimed at Zeriel? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1271 "2011-06-20T03:18:57Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > My only comment is this: we’ve seen so far a lot of claimed power roles that are not particularly powerful or have drawbacks. > > My power is medium-powerful and has a drawback (doesn’t block kills), not to mention the fact that it makes me look suspicious when it fires off. > > Besides, as I read it, I can’t be investigated meaningfully except to confirm the existence of my claimed power–thus I have no motive to claim this power AND third-party if I’m anything other than a truthful survivor. If I was a mad bomber I’d have nothing to lose by claiming town. Auto-roleblock on an investigation from Astral makes the power more useful for scum than third parties, though third parties would still get a benefit as regards Inner Stickler, Mahaloth, or scum powers. Whether or not it would make you look suspicious depends entirely on whether the source of the roleblock (or rather, the fact that there was none) is known. (Reason for asking Mahaloth if he targeted you last night, possible impact on IS’s claim though perhaps not, too fuzzy to work it out. but anyway). Where your logic is correct is that this claim does not help you (as scum OR third party) as compared to a claim of vanilla town, at least as far as I can think right now. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1272 "2011-06-20T03:41:52Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Where your logic is correct is that this claim does not help you (as scum OR third party) as compared to a claim of vanilla town, at least as far as I can think right now. My theory is twofold: 1. the auto-roleblock power will bite me right in the ass in a town-controlled late game, where town is winning with the strategy of “confirm as many people as possible”–the power makes me unconfirmable and thus a liability. Being up-front about it when it’s not necessarily in my best interest to do so makes it more likely I’m being truthful. 2. The wording of my power is specific enough (and my paranoia is high enough) that I didn’t want to take the risk of a non-targeted (and thus not blocked) truth sensor power or something–especially in light of one weird affects-everyone untargeted power already extant (the mass redirect). 3. Purely selfish–this way, scum is less likely to NK me too. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1273 "2011-06-20T03:42:52Z")
NETA: Threefold! Among my many theories include such diverse elements as… ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1274 "2011-06-20T04:43:28Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > My only comment is this: we’ve seen so far a lot of claimed power roles that are not particularly powerful or have drawbacks. > > My power is medium-powerful and has a drawback (doesn’t block kills), not to mention the fact that it makes me look suspicious when it fires off. > > Besides, as I read it, I can’t be investigated meaningfully except to confirm the existence of my claimed power–thus I have no motive to claim this power AND third-party if I’m anything other than a truthful survivor. If I was a mad bomber I’d have nothing to lose by claiming town. Until you got investigated, when you would instantly look very suspicious if you had claimed town. If you are not the mad bomber, then we have another third party, plus a poisoner, so three third parties. But it seems harsh to give fluiddruid a bomb detection power, and then give the mad bomber protection vs. it. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1275 "2011-06-20T05:38:34Z")
I don’t know that mad bomb detectors necessarily always can detect the bomber, they usually just detect the bombs, in my experience. The utility being then that anyone detected to have a bomb cannot be the mad bomber. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1276 "2011-06-20T07:09:25Z")
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**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1277 "2011-06-20T08:06:25Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Until you got investigated, when you would instantly look very suspicious if you had claimed town. If you are not the mad bomber, then we have another third party,\*\* plus a poisoner,\*\* so three third parties.. Weedy knows that the poisoner isn’t scum. **Vote Weedy.** ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1278 "2011-06-20T10:21:35Z")
No, I don’t know that at all. I just assumed it, because scum already get a night kill. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1279 "2011-06-20T13:15:00Z")
I thought I’d be able to get caught up today and whatnot, but I got called into a 9:30am to 4pm meeting, and I have plans tonight, and a similar schedule tomorrow so I most likely won’t be back to the game thread until wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1280 "2011-06-20T13:50:46Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m dopey as all heck and can’t really think, but obvious questions for Mahaloth: > – Did your night one action have any visible (to you) effect? > – Was your night three action aimed at Zeriel? I don’t really see why I should tell you what I’ve done or not done. If I thought it would help, I’d tell you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=65)