# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1301 "2011-06-20T20:06:31Z")
Clearly I meant… **unvote** **vote SilverJan** ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1302 "2011-06-20T20:15:37Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **unvote** > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > Absolutely far too much evidence against her. And another “petulant townie” defense! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1303 "2011-06-20T20:33:00Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **unvote** > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > Absolutely far too much evidence against her. If you’re town, you presumably want town to win, right? Right now, more than ever, you need to lay down your suspicions. You’re going to die anyway, so just name off in order everybody you’re suspicious of. It’ll be phenomenally helpful to town. Seriously, you saw how little gnarlycharlie helped us after his death, right? Learn from him. Petulantly voting for yourself does nobody any good. If you’re town, I’ll color-code you blue on my chart and we can cross-reference all of your suspicions. We’ll be one step closer to catching scum. As it is, you’re spiking your teammates unnecessarily. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1304 "2011-06-20T21:27:29Z")
I have to say that I am not convinced by the votes for Silver Jan. My feeling is that Silver Jan is relatively new, and in trying to learn what works and what doesn’t, has triggered alarms and pulled votes. I’ve seen this happen too often for it to be anything but a new-player tell. Silver Jan, don’t give up on us. They’ll get used to you eventually. I definitely don’t agree with Stanisalus’s allegation of ALE gloating made in [post=13936815]1294[/post]. I find it fairly suspicious, but suspect that I have insufficient time to review Stanislaus’s posts Today. So I’ll vote for him anyways, because I’ve seen Mafiates jump on that sort of thing before. **Stanislaus** I apologise for not doing the promised review. A job application got in the way. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1305 "2011-06-20T21:59:32Z")
I don’t think possibly wasting a lynch on pedescribe is a good idea unless it can’t be avoided. I’m hoping he comes back or Red makes a ruling. I’ve been going back through Silver Jan’s posts, and found them incredibly difficult to parse. That might be just posting style, but she waffles all over the place and seems to vote based more on what people think of her at any given moment than honest suspicion. Also, the self-vote thing again: > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Well this is a strange start to a day. I want to give **Astral** the benefit of the doubt for now because he sounds plausible. > > \*\*gnarley’s \*\*vote on himself is like saying “please read what I have to say” I don’t think it’s a scum vote because I don’t think scum would vote for themselves like that. It’s a bit annoying that he has done it. If he flips Town people will reconsider his arguments. **I don’t like it when people vote for themselves! It doesn’t help either team.** > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > OH ok, fair enough I suppose, just note that I did unvote both **although the way gnarly voted for himself, I should have kept my vote on him.** You read more into my posts than I do, I hadn’t even thought of it like that. [bolding mine] She defends the self-vote, but doesn’t like it, and then says she should have kept the vote on gnarley fot it. Now she’s doing the same thing. With the waffling and aw-shucks style it’s just a little too much. [strike]Vote Silver Jan[/strike] (hammer vote?) -On review a quick vote count shows we might be at the hammer vote. I’ll hold off in case anyone else wants to chime in at the last minute, unless someone wants to point out that we aren’t at hammer. I also can’t figure out how to do strike-through on this board, but hopefully my meaning is clear. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1306 "2011-06-20T22:07:26Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > -On review a quick vote count shows we might be at the hammer vote. I’ll hold off in case anyone else wants to chime in at the last minute, unless someone wants to point out that we aren’t at hammer. I also can’t figure out how to do strike-through on this board, but hopefully my meaning is clear. I don’t believe we’re at hammer. My memory tells me that the hammer is 10 votes, and Silver Jan has 8. I think. Also, I believe we have less than an hour to Dusk, so a hammer probably won’t matter too much. Strikethrough is the del tag. [noparse][del]I don’t want to post this after all[/del][/noparse] =\> [del]I don’t want to post this after all[/del]. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1307 "2011-06-20T22:19:55Z")
Thanks for the tip on the del code – I’ll have to remember that. You are correct, it’s at 8. I counted Zeriel twice with his formatting mixup. fluiddruid might still show up with a vote, and maybe even pedescribe (thought I doubt it), so I didn’t want to end the voting early. **Vote Silver Jan** ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1308 "2011-06-20T23:36:14Z")
The travelers were fed up, they’d been lynching and lynching but getting nowhere closer to their goal. Till one amongst them, said “Hey I know, lets check each other’s drivers licenses! See Mine? It says Bernardo de la Paz.” To which the retort was: “What the hell is a drivers license, and How can you be possibly named La Paz, you’re obviously British!” To which he replied: “It’s okay, lynch me if you want, I can’t be killed, since I locked my soul in this robin’s egg.” Which promptly slipped out of his hand and shattered on a rock jutting out of the hot sand. Oops. Silver Jan AKA Marquis De Carabas, A member of the Associated League of Evil is dead. ====== Silver Jan(9): Normal Phase[1108], Winston Smith[1188], [del]Weedy[del][1212-1213][/del][/del], Astral Rejection[1224], Tom Scud[1282], Stanislaus[1294], Mahaloth[1295], Zeriel[1299], Silver Jan[1300], nesta[1307] pedescribe(1): Inner Stickler[1094], [del]Silver Jan[del][1128-1300][/del][/del], [del]Mahaloth[del][1281-1295][/del][/del] Winston Smith(1): SisterCoyote[1167] MHaye(1): Weedy[1246] Weedy(1): Stanislaus[1277] Stanislaus(1): MHaye[1304] Inner Stickler(0): [del]SisterCoyote[del][1095-1120][/del][/del], [del]Stanislaus[del][1131-1140][/del][/del] Mahaloth(0): [del]Winston Smith[del][1159-1173][/del][/del] Did Not Vote: pedescribe, fluiddruid ================= Coin toss: Heads, Tails, Tails, Heads, Tails. Night will end on Wednesday at 7p ET. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1309 "2011-06-20T23:42:24Z")
Sweet. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1310 "2011-06-20T23:47:21Z")
According to Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > The Marquis de Carabas – The Marquis is arrogant, cunning and very self-confident. Though very much the trickster, he is a loyal friend of Door and her family. This character was inspired by Puss in Boots. Gaiman stated this as the starting point for the character, and imagining “Who would own a cat like this?” The Marquis was played in the TV series by Paterson Joseph. (that’s my guess for the source; Gaiman’s _Neverwhere_.) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1311 "2011-06-21T00:04:51Z")
Whew. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1312 "2011-06-21T00:12:38Z")
Hot damn, finally. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1313 "2011-06-21T00:31:14Z")
Updated color-coded list of votes coming when I get home from class. Also, awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1314 "2011-06-21T01:09:18Z")
That’ll do. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1315 "2011-06-21T01:15:10Z")
Also, thank you Astral. I was starting to feel like I was talking to a brick wall. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1316 "2011-06-21T01:30:25Z")
Slight inaccuracy in the mod’s vote count - Stanislaus moved his vote from Weedy to Jan at 1294, but the mod forgot to remove his Weedy vote. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1317 "2011-06-21T02:01:42Z")
Updating Astral’s vote list: Day 1 Tom Scud vf Astral Rejection 136 Stanislaus vf Astral Rejection 139 TexCat vf Astral Rejection 141 Mahaloth vf Astral Rejection 154 Zeriel vf Astral Rejection 160 Normal Phase vf Astral Rejection 207 [del]Stanislaus unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 211 [del]Tom Scud unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 236 [del]Normal Phase unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 237 Special Ed vf Astral Rejection 245 Astral Rejection vf Special Ed 246 Normal Phase vf Sister Coyote 317 [del]Normal Phase unvote Sister Coyote[/del], vf gnarlycharlie 318 gnarlycharlie vf Astral Rejection 324 Silver Jan vf Astral Rejection 327 Winston Smith vf Pleonast 328 Fluiddruid vf Pleonast 356 Hirka T’Bawa vf Mahaloth 398 Pedescribe vf Sister Coyote 399 Weedy vf Sister Coyote 407 [del]Hirka T’Bawa unvote Mahaloth[/del], vf Sister Coyote 414 [del]Silver Jan unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 428 [del]Astral Rejection unvote Special Ed[/del], vf Sister Coyote 451 Sister Coyote vf Astral Rejection 466 Pleonast vf Sister Coyote 487 fubbleskag vf Astral Rejection 490 Inner Stickler vf Astral Rejection 492 [del]Special Ed unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 507 nesta vf fubbleskag 523 Pleonast vf fubbleskag 530 Hirka T’Bawa vf Pleonast (four times!) 536 Normal Phase vf Pleonast 540 [del]Pedescribe unvote Sister Coyote[/del] 545 Pedescribe vf Pleonast 546 Stanislaus vf Zeriel 560 Astral Rejection vf gnarlycharlie 569 Silver Jan vf gnarlycharlie 581 Tom Scud vf fubbleskag 583 Special Ed vf fubbleskag 603 [del]Silver Jan blues an unvote of gnarlycharlie[/del] (Red counts it anyway) 615 Silver Jan vf fubbleskag 624 Weedy vf fubbleskag 626 MHaye vf Zeriel 627 [del]Hirka T’Bawa unvote Pleonast[/del], vf fubbleskag 635 [del]fubbleskag unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 636 fubbleskag vf Pleonast 641 [del]TexCat unvote Astral Rejection[/del], vf fubbleskag 645 [del]Hirka T’Bawa unvote fubbleskag[/del], vf Pleonast 649 [del]Zeriel unvote Astral Rejection[/del], vf Hirka T’Bawa 653 No votes by Day end: everybody voted! Day 2 Mahaloth vf gnarlycharlie 718 gnarlycharlie vf Astral Rejection 719 Hirka T’Bawa vf gnarlycharlie 723 Astral Rejection vf gnarlycharlie 725 Normal Phase vf gnarlycharlie 735 [del]gnarlycharlie unvote Astral Rejection[/del], vf gnarlycharlie 740 Stanislaus vf TexCat 751 Pleonast vf gnarlycharlie 760 Pedescribe vf Pleonast 775 Winston Smith vf Pleonast 790 Fluiddruid vf Pleonast 791 Sister Coyote vf Inner Stickler 792 Weedy vf Hirka T’Bawa 833 Silver Jan vf Inner Stickler 837 Tom Scud vf Hirka T’Bawa 839 Zeriel vf Hirka T’Bawa 841 TexCat vf Astral Rejection 844 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler 849 [del]Normal Phase unvote gnarlycharlie[/del], vf Silver Jan 850 [del]Tom Scud unvote Hirka T’Bawa[/del] 860 Tom Scud vf gnarlycharlie 863 Inner Stickler vf gnarlycharlie 869 nesta vf gnarlycharlie 873 MHaye vf Pleonast 877 No votes by Day end: everybody voted! Day 3 - I note here that Normal Phase has done exactly what I’m doing in post 910. Well, darn. Onward! Mahaloth vf Astral Rejection 900 Normal Phase vf Silver Jan 905 Fluiddruid vf Pleonast 921 Tom Scud vf Astral Rejection 928 [del]Tom Scud unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 931 [del]Mahaloth unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 965 Silver Jan vf Inner Stickler 978 Weedy vf Inner Stickler 984 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler 1000 Zeriel vf Hirka T’Bawa 1001 TexCat vf Winston Smith 1002 Astral Rejection vf TexCat 1005 Normal Phase vf TexCat 1009 Tom Scud vf Zeriel 1019 Sister Coyote vf TexCat 1021 Hirka T’Bawa vf Zeriel 1022 Winston Smith vf TexCat 1029 Mahaloth vf Hirka T’Bawa 1031 [del]Fluiddruid unvote Pleonast[/del], vf TexCat 1035 Inner Stickler vf Texcat 1039 [del]TexCat unvote Winston Smith[/del], vf Zeriel 1041 MHaye vf Inner Stickler 1064 [del]TexCat unvote Zeriel[/del], vf Sister Coyote 1068 nesta vf TexCat 1069 No votes by Day end: pedescribe, Pleonast Day 4 Inner Stickler vf pedescribe 1094 SisterCoyote vf Inner Stickler 1095 Normal Phase vf Silver Jan 1108 [del]SisterCoyote unvote Inner Stickler[/del] 1120 Zeriel vf pedescribe 1124 Silver Jan vf pedescribe 1128 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler 1131 [del]Stanislaus unvote Inner Stickler[/del] 1139 Winston Smith vf Mahaloth 1159 Sister Coyote vf Winston Smith 1167 [del]Winston Smith unvote Mahaloth[/del] 1173 Winston Smith vf Silver Jan 1188 Weedy vf Silver Jan 1212 [del]Weedy unvote Silver Jan[/del] 1213 Astral Rejection vf Silver Jan 1224 Weedy vf MHaye 1246 Stanislaus vf Weedy 1277 Mahaloth vf pedescribe 1281 Tom Scud vf Silver Jan 1282 - Tom Scud announces he will shift vote to pedescribe to avoid tie if needed [del]Stanislaus unvote Weedy[/del] 1294 Stanislaus vf Silver Jan 1294 [del]Mahaloth unvote pedescribe[/del] 1295 Mahaloth vf Silver Jan 1295 [del]Zeriel unvote pedescribe[/del] 1299 Zeriel vf Silver Jan 1299 [del]Silver Jan unvote pedescribe[/del] 1300 Silver Jan vf Silver Jan 1300 MHaye vf Stanislaus 1304 nesta vf Silver Jan No votes by Day end: pedescribe, fluiddruid Key: Blue = known town Green = suspected, claimed, investigated town (explained below) Purple = third party Red = known scum Deleted lines show unvotes. Suspected or Claimed town: Astral = Cop Inner = Doc Fluid = bomb detector Mahaloth = inventor Tom Scud = coroner Not counted = vanilla claims. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1318 "2011-06-21T02:04:18Z")
Initial thought there is that **Stanislaus’s** vote at 1294 looks very Townie (or at least non-Scum); I’d expect a scum to hold back in hopes that they could stick me with the blame for a “no ties!” vote shift. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1319 "2011-06-21T02:23:26Z")
Thanks for doing that for me, Tom! Some notes: nesta was again the very last person to vote, and once again voted for the town bandwagon. In this particular case, the result killed town, but it was very much a “me-too!” vote, coming on the heels of 8 consecutive Silver Jan votes. I want to address two comments from Stanislaus: > [@Stanislaus](#): > > Also - not going to apologise for voting for non-lynch leaders. Also also, voting for Zeriel was at least voting for non-Town - not sure why this is meant to be suspicous. I never asked you to apologize, I was just pointing it out. Every fact, every connection we can draw, can possibly help town. I help no one by staying silent. A healthy sense of paranoia is useful in this game. To directly respond to your comments, voting for non-lynch leaders is a viable scum strategy. The people you vote for often aren’t even close to being lynched. Without their flip, we don’t conclusively know their alignment, and thus we can’t pin anything on you. You look like a helpful townie, refusing to follow the bandwagon mentality and attempting to ferret out scum. Scum do this. Town does this. It’s worth pointing out, and people can draw their own conclusions about you from it. Also, voting for Zeriel doesn’t prove anything about you. If you’re scum, you know Zeriel isn’t. If you’re town, you don’t know what Zeriel is, especially as your vote came on Day 1. So, once again, it’s not necessarily suspicious, but it’s worth pointing out. I don’t necessarily think Normal Phase is scum, but I still pointed out where she had voted with others in a potentially suspicious way. It’s odd to me that you think these actions are the paragon of townie behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1320 "2011-06-21T03:04:14Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > To directly respond to your comments, voting for non-lynch leaders is a viable scum strategy. The people you vote for often aren’t even close to being lynched. Without their flip, we don’t conclusively know their alignment, and thus we can’t pin anything on you. You look like a helpful townie, refusing to follow the bandwagon mentality and attempting to ferret out scum. Scum do this. Town does this. It’s worth pointing out, and people can draw their own conclusions about you from it. I wouldn’t even call the idea of voting on one-offs that suspicious–it’s how you justify it and how you react to getting called on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=67)