# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1461 "2011-06-27T00:30:42Z")
Updating Astral’s vote list to reflect considerable additional information: Day 1 Tom Scud vf Astral Rejection 136 Stanislaus vf Astral Rejection 139 TexCat vf Astral Rejection 141 Mahaloth vf Astral Rejection 154 Zeriel vf Astral Rejection 160 Normal Phase vf Astral Rejection 207 [del]Stanislaus unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 211 [del]Tom Scud unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 236 [del]Normal Phase unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 237 Special Ed vf Astral Rejection 245 Astral Rejection vf Special Ed 246 Normal Phase vf Sister Coyote 317 [del]Normal Phase unvote Sister Coyote[/del], vf gnarlycharlie 318 gnarlycharlie vf Astral Rejection 324 Silver Jan vf Astral Rejection 327 Winston Smith vf Pleonast 328 Fluiddruid vf Pleonast 356 Hirka T’Bawa vf Mahaloth 398 Pedescribe vf Sister Coyote 399 Weedy vf Sister Coyote 407 [del]Hirka T’Bawa unvote Mahaloth[/del], vf Sister Coyote 414 [del]Silver Jan unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 428 [del]Astral Rejection unvote Special Ed[/del], vf Sister Coyote 451 Sister Coyote vf Astral Rejection 466 Pleonast vf Sister Coyote 487 fubbleskag vf Astral Rejection 490 Inner Stickler vf Astral Rejection 492 [del]Special Ed unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 507 nesta vf fubbleskag 523 Pleonast vf fubbleskag 530 Hirka T’Bawa vf Pleonast (four times!) 536 Normal Phase vf Pleonast 540 [del]Pedescribe unvote Sister Coyote[/del] 545 Pedescribe vf Pleonast 546 Stanislaus vf Zeriel 560 Astral Rejection vf gnarlycharlie 569 Silver Jan vf gnarlycharlie 581 Tom Scud vf fubbleskag 583 Special Ed vf fubbleskag 603 [del]Silver Jan blues an unvote of gnarlycharlie[/del] (Red counts it anyway) 615 Silver Jan vf fubbleskag 624 Weedy vf fubbleskag 626 MHaye vf Zeriel 627 [del]Hirka T’Bawa unvote Pleonast[/del], vf fubbleskag 635 [del]fubbleskag unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 636 fubbleskag vf Pleonast 641 [del]TexCat unvote Astral Rejection[/del], vf fubbleskag 645 [del]Hirka T’Bawa unvote fubbleskag[/del], vf Pleonast 649 [del]Zeriel unvote Astral Rejection[/del], vf Hirka T’Bawa 653 No votes by Day end: everybody voted! Day 2 Mahaloth vf gnarlycharlie 718 gnarlycharlie vf Astral Rejection 719 Hirka T’Bawa vf gnarlycharlie 723 Astral Rejection vf gnarlycharlie 725 Normal Phase vf gnarlycharlie 735 [del]gnarlycharlie unvote Astral Rejection[/del], vf gnarlycharlie 740 Stanislaus vf TexCat 751 Pleonast vf gnarlycharlie 760 Pedescribe vf Pleonast 775 Winston Smith vf Pleonast 790 Fluiddruid vf Pleonast 791 Sister Coyote vf Inner Stickler 792 Weedy vf Hirka T’Bawa 833 Silver Jan vf Inner Stickler 837 Tom Scud vf Hirka T’Bawa 839 Zeriel vf Hirka T’Bawa 841 TexCat vf Astral Rejection 844 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler 849 [del]Normal Phase unvote gnarlycharlie[/del], vf Silver Jan 850 [del]Tom Scud unvote Hirka T’Bawa[/del] 860 Tom Scud vf gnarlycharlie 863 Inner Stickler vf gnarlycharlie 869 nesta vf gnarlycharlie 873 MHaye vf Pleonast 877 No votes by Day end: everybody voted! Day 3 - I note here that Normal Phase has done exactly what I’m doing in post 910. Well, darn. Onward! Mahaloth vf Astral Rejection 900 Normal Phase vf Silver Jan 905 Fluiddruid vf Pleonast 921 Tom Scud vf Astral Rejection 928 [del]Tom Scud unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 931 [del]Mahaloth unvote Astral Rejection[/del] 965 Silver Jan vf Inner Stickler 978 Weedy vf Inner Stickler 984 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler 1000 Zeriel vf Hirka T’Bawa 1001 TexCat vf Winston Smith 1002 Astral Rejection vf TexCat 1005 Normal Phase vf TexCat 1009 Tom Scud vf Zeriel 1019 Sister Coyote vf TexCat 1021 Hirka T’Bawa vf Zeriel 1022 Winston Smith vf TexCat 1029 Mahaloth vf Hirka T’Bawa 1031 [del]Fluiddruid unvote Pleonast[/del], vf TexCat 1035 Inner Stickler vf Texcat 1039 [del]TexCat unvote Winston Smith[/del], vf Zeriel 1041 MHaye vf Inner Stickler 1064 [del]TexCat unvote Zeriel[/del], vf Sister Coyote 1068 nesta vf TexCat 1069 No votes by Day end: pedescribe, Pleonast Day 4 Inner Stickler vf pedescribe 1094 SisterCoyote vf Inner Stickler 1095 Normal Phase vf [color=red]Silver Jan 1108 [del]SisterCoyote unvote Inner Stickler[/del] 1120 Zeriel vf pedescribe 1124 Silver Jan vf pedescribe 1128 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler 1131 [del]Stanislaus unvote Inner Stickler[/del] 1139 Winston Smith vf Mahaloth 1159 Sister Coyote vf Winston Smith 1167 [del]Winston Smith unvote Mahaloth[/del] 1173 Winston Smith vf Silver Jan 1188 Weedy vf Silver Jan 1212 [del]Weedy unvote Silver Jan[/del] 1213 Astral Rejection vf Silver Jan 1224 Weedy vf MHaye 1246 Stanislaus vf Weedy 1277 Mahaloth vf pedescribe 1281 Tom Scud vf Silver Jan 1282 - Tom Scud announces he will shift vote to pedescribe to avoid tie if needed [del]Stanislaus unvote Weedy[/del] 1294 Stanislaus vf Silver Jan 1294 [del]Mahaloth unvote pedescribe[/del] 1295 Mahaloth vf Silver Jan 1295 [del]Zeriel unvote pedescribe[/del] 1299 Zeriel vf Silver Jan 1299 [del]Silver Jan unvote pedescribe[/del] 1300 Silver Jan vf Silver Jan 1300 MHaye vf Stanislaus 1304 nesta vf Silver Jan No votes by Day end: pedescribe, fluiddruid Next day, in no particular order because I need to finish this post and go cook dinner: Weedy vf nesta Inner vf nesta Normal vf nesta Sis Coyote vf Winston pedescribe vf Winston Winston claims scum & accuses SisC and Pede of bussing. Key: Blue = known town Green = suspected, claimed, investigated town (explained below) Purple = known third party Red = known scum Deleted lines show unvotes. Suspected or Claimed town: Inner = Doc Tom Scud = coroner Known scum: Zeriel, Silver Jan, Winston Smith Not counted = vanilla claims. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1462 "2011-06-27T00:35:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Day 3 - I note here that Normal Phase has done exactly what I’m doing in post 910. Well, darn. Onward! It cracks me up that this line keeps popping up when people update my list, no matter how many revisions it goes through. Go town! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1463 "2011-06-27T00:37:13Z")
Bah! Go scum! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1464 "2011-06-27T00:58:05Z")
**vote nesta** Winston’s Cunning Plan (and we know it was such, at least in part) makes no sense unless he saw a scum lynch either way that day. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1465 "2011-06-27T01:00:35Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Bah! Go scum! For shame, Zeriel, for shame, going after a nice innocent little bomber like me. 😃 At least nobody can say I took the safe route. Spoilers please, Red? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1466 "2011-06-27T01:04:59Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > “He” above being Red. And Normal and I have now played I think five or six games of Mafia and have STILL never been on the same team. We were on the same game in Pleonast’s SS Insipid game, the first I ever played here. Otherwise … yeah. PFK role rocks, by the way. Although I am crushingly disappointed. Damn you, Zeriel! OK, I’ll go be properly dead now. Good luck all, especially town. For obvious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1467 "2011-06-27T01:21:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > We were on the same game in Pleonast’s SS Insipid game, the first I ever played here. Otherwise … yeah. I wasn’t in that game. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1468 "2011-06-27T01:23:49Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I wasn’t in that game. Doh! I think I was thinking of Chronos. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1469 "2011-06-27T01:29:37Z")
I targeted Zeriel and was unsuccessful, obviously. Blech. **vote nesta** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1470 "2011-06-27T01:52:46Z")
And updating Stanislaus’s vote count chart (adding green for claimed power roles): Day One Vote Count: **fubbleskag(7)**: nesta[523], Pleonast[530], Tom Scud[583], Special Ed[603], Silver Jan[623], Weedy[626], [del]Hirka T’Bawa[635-649][/del], TexCat[645] **Pleonast(6):** Winston Smith[328], fluiddruid[356], Hirka T’Bawa[536-536][536-536][536-536][536-635][649], Normal Phase[540], pedescribe[546], fubbleskag[641] **Astral Rejection(4):** [del]Tom Scud[136-236][/del], [del]Stanislaus[139-211][/del], [del]TexCat[141-645][/del], Mahaloth[154], [del]Zeriel[160-653][/del], [del]Normal Phase[207-237][/del], [del]Special Ed[245-507][/del], gnarlycharlie[324], [del]Silver Jan[327-428][/del], SisterCoyote[466], [del]fubbleskag[490-636][/del], Inner Stickler[492] **Zeriel(2):** Stanislaus[560], MHaye[627] **gnarlycharlie(1):** [del]Normal Phase[318-540][/del], Astral Rejection[569], [del]Silver Jan[581-615][/del] **Hirka T’Bawa(1):** Zeriel[653] **Special Ed(0):** [del]Astral Rejection[248-451][/del] **SisterCoyote(0):** [del]Normal Phase[317-318][/del], [del]pedescribe[399-545][/del], [del]Weedy[407-626][/del], [del]Hirka T’Bawa[414-536][/del], [del]Astral Rejection[451-569][/del], [del]Pleonast[487-530][/del] \*\*Mahaloth(0): \*\*[del]Hirka T’Bawa[398-414][/del] **Did Not Vote:** Day 2 Vote Count: **gnarlycharlie(8)**: Mahaloth[718], Hirka T’Bawa[723], Astral Rejection[725], [del]Normal Phase[del][735-850][/del][/del], gnarlycharlie[740], Pleonast[760], Tom Scud[863], Inner Stickler[869], nesta[873] **Pleonast(4):** pedescribe[775], Winston Smith[790], fluiddruid[791], MHaye[877] \*\*Inner Stickler(3): \*\*SisterCoyote[792], Silver Jan[837], Stanislaus[849] **Hirka T’Bawa(2):** Weedy[833], [del]Tom Scud[del][839-860][/del][/del], Zeriel[841] \*\*Astral Rejection(1): \*\*[del]gnarlycharlie[del][719-740][/del][/del], TexCat[844] \*\*Silver Jan(1): \*\*Normal Phase[850] **TexCat(0):** [del]Stanislaus[del][751-849][/del][/del] **Did Not Vote:** Day 3 Vote Count **TexCat** (7): Astral Rejection[1005], Normal Phase[1009], SisterCoyote[1021], Winston Smith[1029], fluiddruid[1035], Inner Stickler[1039], nesta[1069] **Inner Stickler** (4): Silver Jan[978], Weedy[984], Stanislaus[1000], MHaye[1064] **Hirka T’Bawa** (2): Zeriel[1001], Mahaloth[1031] **Zeriel** (2): Tom Scud[1019], Hirka T’Bawa[1023], [del]TexCat[del][1041-1069][/del][/del] **SisterCoyote** (1): TexCat[1068] **Astral Rejection** (0): [del]Mahaloth[del][900-965][/del][/del], [del]Tom Scud[del][928-931][/del][/del] **Silver Jan** (0): [del]Normal Phase[del][905-1009][/del][/del] **Pleonast** (0): [del]fluiddruid[del][921-1035][/del][/del] **Winston Smith** (0): [del]TexCat[del][1003-1041][/del][/del] **Did Not Vote** : pedescribe, Pleonast Day Four Vote Count **Silver Jan** (9): Normal Phase[1108], Winston Smith[1188], [del]Weedy[del][1212-1213][/del][/del], Astral Rejection[1224], Tom Scud[1282], Stanislaus[1294], Mahaloth[1295], Zeriel[1299], Silver Jan[1300], nesta[1307] **pedescribe** (1): Inner Stickler[1094], [del]Silver Jan[del][1128-1300][/del][/del], [del]Mahaloth[del][1281-1295][/del][/del] **Winston Smith** (1): SisterCoyote[1167] **MHaye** (1): Weedy[1246] **Weedy** (0): [del]Stanislaus[/del][1277-1294] **Stanislaus** (1): MHaye[1304] **Inner Stickler** (0): [del]SisterCoyote[del][1095-1120][/del][/del], [del]Stanislaus[del][1131-1140][/del][/del] **Mahaloth** (0): [del]Winston Smith[del][1159-1173][/del][/del] **Did Not Vote** : pedescribe, fluiddruid Didn’t bother with day 5. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1471 "2011-06-27T01:55:27Z")
The one thing that sticks out at me from THAT vote chart is Weedy voting right after Silver Jan twice; I don’t think a fellow-scum would do that, so I’d put that as a point in his (her?) favor. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1472 "2011-06-27T03:12:42Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > ] **vote nesta** > > Winston’s Cunning Plan (and we know it was such, at least in part) makes no sense unless he saw a scum lynch either way that day. I don’t know what Winston’s Cunning Plan[tm] was, but I doubt it had anything to do with me. If I put my tinfoil hat on I can think he might have been framing me, but that seems a little elaborate. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1473 "2011-06-27T03:47:33Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I targeted Zeriel and was unsuccessful, obviously. > > Blech. > **vote nesta** Would you mind summarizing why? Yesterday ended before I had a chance to respond to Normal Phase. Now that I know she wasn’t ALE that changes some of my thoughts, but as a PFK I wonder at her goals. I think it depends on her wincondition, but if it was simply to survive to the end of the game, and she thought I was ALE, why didn’t she bomb me? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1474 "2011-06-27T04:00:59Z")
Because you make meh cases, you don’t support them or carry them over very much from day to day. You’re not exerting much pressure and it looks scummy. You wonder at Normal’s goals but she worked pretty tirelessly at getting Silver Jan lynched. Interesting that she didn’t plant a bomb on any ALE drinkers. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1475 "2011-06-27T06:07:32Z")
BTW, I’m male. When I chose my username all those years ago I didn’t realize that having an ‘a’ on the end made it feminine. I should have paid more attention in spanish class. I acknowledge that my participation has been poor. I didn’t anticipate being this busy at work, and as a new homeowner this yard shit is kicking my ass. I’ll respond to Normal Phase, even if she can’t clarify, since I didn’t get a chance to Yesterday. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK I’m done reading up on nesta. Her day one case against fubbleskag was (minus a few confirmation-bias sort of quibbles) really quite solid. However, pretty much everything else looks like scum. To summarize: > > – very tentative (while yet mildly encouraging) against the established bandwagons on townies Astral and gnarlycharlie on day one and day two. Both times there was no comment by nesta at all until the bandwagon was well established. Both times she contributed to the suspicion (with Astral, with meta-ish concerns regarding PIS/setups in other games; with gnarlycharlie, with self-vote is scum or anti-town) without actually voting. I was very suspicious of Astral on Day 1, but not enough to vote for him after his cop claim. I thought I had found scum in fubbleskag, so I made my case and voted for him. > [@](#): > > I find that accusations of PIS, when the subject is as generic as “most games have only one traditional scum team”, come disproportionately from scum. Nesta goes on to ask Astral a series of questions about Night Zero, but they don’t really go anywhere and I’m not sure ever had any chance to. This was early in Day 1, and I was trying to get a handle on Astral’s claim. I didn’t know what standard SDMB games were like since I hadn’t been following them for a few years, so I was asking what was standard now. I was thinking that if Astral wasn’t really a cop that he might answer whether or not he could do anything on Night 0 incorrectly, and that someone might pick up on that. > [@](#): > > This comment is unexceptional except in terms of the pattern mentioned above (late to the party, mild boosting of the established case, but no vote, only questions (which in this case are not followed up on at all: nesta says she was busy and has only one further post on Day Two, near its end, in which she comments negatively on Hirka and votes gnarly, all for reasons established by other people). This is about my asking why gnarlycharlie was so adamant that he wouldn’t unvote himself. After I asked that he never posted. I thought the self-vote itself was suspicious, and was hoping to see how he defended it. The case against him was convincing, and his disappearing also seemed suspicious to me, so I agreed that he was probably scum so that’s the way I voted. > [@](#): > > – day three and four, early contribution to scum hunting disappears entirely. Day three she has a summary of the early claims (calling none out as suspicious, which while undoubtedly fair is also safe), a brief kerfuffle with Astral over the night zero stuff, then votes for TexCat very late in post 1069. Yes, my scum hunting has been poor. I’ve been approaching this a little too much like I vote in general elections: study the major candidates and evaluate them shortly before it’s time to vote. > [@](#): > > [snip] > > (She votes for real after an exchange with MHaye.) I can’t argue much with this vote, obviously, though none of that had anything to do with why I voted for her. (In fact, the comments directly aimed at gnarly were the most genuine thing about her, IMO.) By the time I had a chance to review Silver Jan’s posts the case was very well established. I pointed out that she had said voting for yourself doesn’t help either team, but then did it herself. This wasn’t the primary reason I was suspicious, but it did help me feel more sure about it. > [@](#): > > Finally, a day one comment aimed at gnarly that felt scummy in its own right (post 604): > > As with the quasi-PIS argument used against Astral up top, that “in case” is the kind of “scum slip” that scum seem to jump on out of all proportion to townies. Plus, it’s obvious enough what gnarly is saying about Astral, that he is deliberately hedging his bet so as not to bear too much responsibility if and when he contributes to lynching (townie) gnarly. I don’t see any source of confusion for nesta here, so the question looks like fake-townie. I thought it was a possible scum slip. I was wrong, but gnarlycharlie never responded. I considered it a mark against him. > [@](#): > > nesta looks like scum to me – capable of making strong arguments, but mostly avoiding the necessity. I’ve voted for who I thought was likely to be scum. I tend to be a studious player, wanting to make strong cases, but it takes time I haven’t had. Instead my time has been devoted to reviewing the cases others have made. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1476 "2011-06-27T06:15:04Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because you make meh cases, you don’t support them or carry them over very much from day to day. You’re not exerting much pressure and it looks scummy. You wonder at Normal’s goals but she worked pretty tirelessly at getting Silver Jan lynched. > > Interesting that she didn’t plant a bomb on any ALE drinkers. I disagree, but most of that is in my reply to Normal Phase. I don’t doubt she worked tirelessly to achieve her wincondition. I know that I’m CARS, but she probably didn’t. I think she might have been going after the low hanging fruit, though, which I seem to be. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1477 "2011-06-27T17:35:51Z")
I don’t find it that persuasive but now would be a good opportunity for you to explain who you think is scum and why. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1478 "2011-06-28T15:55:18Z")
Firstly, sorry I vanished again. I went to my parents’ home over the weekend (Fri-Mon) and had a lot less internet time than I was expecting. Also, as of Saturday I will spend a year being The Answer. > [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > [haunt] > I have just been catching up, first, I want to thank whoever decided to kill me when they did. I’ve been busy this past week and weekend GRADUATING!!! I am now **Dr. Hirka T’Bawa, PharmD.**!!! Woot!!! I wouldn’t have had time to participate even if I was still alive. So, if I had to die, it was a good time to die 🙂 Massively belated congratulations, Dr. Hirka. > [@pedescribe](#): > > -Well, huh. > > -I’m not bussing him. Sis C, are you bussing him? No, I wasn’t bussing him. I had confidence in my vote, if no good way to explain my reasoning, but I wasn’t bussing him. Also, before I vote, how close are we to the hammer? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1479 "2011-06-28T15:56:39Z")
Hammer is 5 out of 6; basically we need a unanimous non-victim vote. (Currently at 2). ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/1480 "2011-06-28T16:25:37Z")
Okay, I think I can manage to keep track of that. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=75)