# Genre Fiction Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387 "2011-05-19T01:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/141 "2011-05-23T22:23:46Z")
Astral seems to have claimed to be not town. He clearly states that his win condition is different. I’m having difficulty in understanding why scum would make such a statement. It doesn’t even seem to make much sense for a third party to make such a statement. Was it just a slip? Add this to his confusion over who is town and who is scum and I have to **Vote: Astral Rejection** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/142 "2011-05-23T22:35:21Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > So is your win condition as stated in the edited sample given at post #23? um, yeah, pretty much exactly like that ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/143 "2011-05-23T22:53:40Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Mahaloth, do you have any reason to believe that there is a McGuffin (noose or anything else) in the game? I don’t see any way for it to be a part of the game, based on the color, but I’m wondering if you know otherwise and that’s why you asked. No, I have no idea. Just forget it. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/144 "2011-05-23T22:56:34Z")
I’m pretty sure when he returns he will claim that his wincon is the same as the edited sample PM so that’s a null tell. Are we going to spend all day talking about the wincon or are we going to branch off into other topics? I always have fun reading lurker vs nonparticipant arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/145 "2011-05-23T22:57:26Z")
My “wincondition”(yep, one word) is exactly as stated in post 23. I’m confused as to what Astral was talking about. Explanation? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/146 "2011-05-23T22:59:33Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I always have fun reading lurker vs nonparticipant arguments. you’re sick in the head ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/147 "2011-05-23T23:05:59Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > My “wincondition”(yep, one word) is exactly as stated in post 23. I’m confused as to what Astral was talking about. Explanation? I believe that he was assuming that there is a scum team and an unspecified 3rd party team that collectively are known as the Associated League of Evil and the scum team itself is the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords. If that makes sense. I could be wrong, though. Ed, at least I know what my name is. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/148 "2011-05-23T23:10:03Z")
Newbie question: when people are talking about the ‘color’ does that mean the flavour text, and not the different colourtext that things are sometimes written in? **AstralRejection** , what two ways of descibing bad guys did **Red** use? I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/149 "2011-05-23T23:48:05Z")
Yes. We use color here to refer to the framing device for the game. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/150 "2011-05-23T23:48:52Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Newbie question: when people are talking about the ‘color’ does that mean the flavour text, and not the different colourtext that things are sometimes written in? Welcome, Weedy. Yes. Color or colour usually refers to flavor or flavour. Colored text also has its meaning. Blue for votes, red for unvotes, green for moderator questions, and purple for ghosts. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/151 "2011-05-23T23:51:40Z")
Note that we usually bold as well as color text. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/152 "2011-05-24T00:33:30Z")
And in many games, but not this game, game color is just that – like the color commentary from the football broadcasters. In this game, however, Red has stated color may not be just color. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/153 "2011-05-24T00:38:34Z")
Any other newbie questions as long as people are being helpful? (Ed, can we talk about the viability of a mass claim then? I think it might be beneficial to do one today. :p) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/154 "2011-05-24T00:38:53Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > In this game, however, Red has stated color may not be just color. Which was the origin of my wondering about the noose, but I agree that any speculation on that may just be distracting. \*\*Vote Astral \*\* I need to know what the heck he was talking about and I like voting early. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/155 "2011-05-24T00:43:02Z")
Hmm, not to be all metagamey but his profile says he was last on at 6:58 which is late enough to see that people have more questions for him. Which says to me that he’s staying mum until he has a better idea of what he wants to say, avoiding the thread or _gasp_ mafia is not his number one priority on the board and he’s been gadding about elsewhere with nary a thought for us. For shame! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/156 "2011-05-24T00:45:46Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I believe that he was assuming that there is a scum team and an unspecified 3rd party team that collectively are known as the Associated League of Evil and the scum team itself is the Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords. If that makes sense. I could be wrong, though. > > Ed, at least I know what my name is. That’s exactly how I read it. And I don’t see how he could get there from a PM that reads either “Alignment: Consolidated etc” or “Alignment: Associated etc”, given that the former clearly is not the scum and the latter would presumably recognize their own team name. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/157 "2011-05-24T00:52:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That’s exactly how I read it. And I don’t see how he could get there from a PM that reads either “Alignment: Consolidated etc” or “Alignment: Associated etc”, given that the former clearly is not the scum and the latter would presumably recognize their own team name. Yeah, it’s really weird. Astral, you seriously need to pop in and tell us what was up with that stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/158 "2011-05-24T00:53:22Z")
Well, I’m reserving judgment until I hear from him because right now I’m on the fence about whether it’s scummy or not. I suspect it may just be reading too fast and thinking they’ve caught ahold of something sly on the part of the moderator. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/159 "2011-05-24T01:02:44Z")
I wasn’t sure if Slumlords were good guys or not, till I read the flavour text. They don’t sound like good guys, but it turns out they are, for the purposes of this game at least. More newbie clarification: mass claim - that’s where everyone declares who they are? Surely the bad guys just lie, so what is the point? I guess you get to see which powerful good guys you have. Do the bad guys, the scum, know who each other are already? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387/160 "2011-05-24T01:05:50Z")
I think I concur with the votes so far: it’s manifestly clear from both sample role PMs that “Consolidated Alliance of Raftdwelling Slumlords” are the town faction, and missing that fact while looking at one’s own PM indicates to me that \*\*Astral \*\*is either probably NOT in the CARS or he is skimming. Either way, **vote Astral Rejection** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/genre-fiction-mafia/582387.md?page=9)