# George Allen, the time to stop lying has come. ("I don't need any n word ten") **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728 "2006-10-08T17:43:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/1 "2006-10-08T17:43:36Z")
[http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP/MGArticle/CDP\_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149191030181&path=](http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP/MGArticle/CDP_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149191030181&path=) So, two more people have come forward to contradict Allen’s blanket claims about having never used the n word and that anyone who says so is a liar, including a third who doesn’t want to be identified because a relative works for the Bush administration. We’re now up to around 12 named accusers on this score, along with any number of other ones who have thus far stayed anonymous. They claim, as many other witnesses, that Allen used the word frequently, and specifically recall his habit of reffering to any black suit cards he didn’t want as “n word” cards. Allen’s people refuse to even ask Allen if these allegations are true: after claiming that Allen has never done anything like that, calling all the accusers liars (which had the effect of just bringing out even more of them angry that allen would lie), and spending millions for two minutes of Tv time to call the accusations “baseless” they’ve decided to wash their hands of the issue. Unfortunately, I don’t think that is going to work. Just to give you a sense of the sort of spin Allen engages in, here’s a little story from his high school years (again the story is less about what he did then but what he says about it now). Basically, there was a big sports rivalry between Allen’s high school and a predominantly African American school. Several people from those days have come forward with claimed incidents establishing some pretty nasty behavior on Allen’s part (including labeling a baseball bat he kept in his vehicle “The N\*\*\*er Knocker”) but the only one we know for sure is that: 1. Allen started claiming that the rival school was going to try something. 2. The next day someone spraypainted Allen’s school, including all sorts of (anti-white) racial epithets. Allen was suspended, making it hard to deny that any of the above facts, recalled by others, were baseless. But Allen’s spin today: yes he spraypainted the school, but he doesn’t know how any racially offensive terms got there (if he has to mention them at all). George Allen is an idiot. If he had simply at some point in his career acknowledged that he was once a racist, but that he has changed and sincerely regrets his past and wants to make amends, I have every reason to think that voters would believe him. Allen has a heck of a lot to recommend him in terms of doing things that African American voters care about. But what he’s doing now is just boneheaded, and there’s no reason to think that he can proceed as a politician via simply lying about it and hoping no one cares. This issue never would have come up if, as Gibson notes, Allen hadn’t said “NEVER” when asked. He created the problem for himself, and compounded it by handling it in the worst way possible. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/2 "2006-10-08T18:04:28Z")
[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061008/ap\_on\_el\_se/allen\_in\_business](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061008/ap_on_el_se/allen_in_business) It never ends with this guy. Check out the above link. He lied on his financial disclosure forms too. He’s going to make millions as a lobbyist. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/3 "2006-10-08T18:21:48Z")
Oh, but you don’t understand hajario. You see, those investments didn’t turn out to make any money, so there is no conflict of interest. Just like when you kill someone for the insurance money, and it turns out that the policy expired, it’s not a crime because there was no motive. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/4 "2006-10-08T19:17:20Z")
Wait a minute! This guy spraypainted anti-white slurs? So he’s not only a racist, but he’s a self-hating racist. At least he’s an equal-opportunity hater. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/5 "2006-10-08T19:31:35Z")
Yeah, what’s with spray painting anti-white slurs all about? I’m not sure Virginia deserves a senator who is that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/6 "2006-10-08T19:53:57Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] Wait a minute! This guy spraypainted anti-white slurs? So he’s not only a racist, but he’s a self-hating racist. At least he’s an equal-opportunity hater. 😃 [/QUOTE] He’s also Jewish and wore a Klan pin in some of his high school pictures. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/7 "2006-10-08T19:54:38Z")
The point was to make it look like the African American school had done it in order to get everyone all pumped up and hatin’ on them. Unfortunately, Allen got caught. Telling people that it was going to happen before it happened was probably the first tipoff. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/8 "2006-10-08T20:06:11Z")
George Allen has gotten this far in life by lying, why would he quit now? I’ll be satisfied if he’s lying in his house next January. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/9 "2006-10-08T23:03:51Z")
Virginia is such a lovely state and has so much going for it. They really deserve better than George Allen! If they elect him they are going to be sending a message about themselves that I don’t think they want to proclaim. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/10 "2006-10-08T23:56:25Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] Virginia is such a lovely state and has so much going for it. They really deserve better than George Allen! If they elect him they are going to be sending a message about themselves that I don’t think they want to proclaim. [/QUOTE] Virginia constantly sends messages about themselves you wouldn’t think they would want to proclaim. I lived their for a little over a year. While I was there they passed another anti gay act with very loose wording that could effectivly prevent people from willing their estates to those of the same sex. When I had issues with my company discriminating against me based on my sexuality and could not take any legal action to defend myself, I finaly left. George Allen is the perfect poster child for that hell hole ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/11 "2006-10-09T00:09:45Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] He’s also Jewish and wore a Klan pin in some of his high school pictures. [/QUOTE] Ok. I’m in late here. Where’s the cite? Or am I being whooshed? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/12 "2006-10-09T00:27:25Z")
And this just in… [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061008/ap\_on\_el\_se/allen\_in\_business;\_ylt=AhvrByfhgIO3aSPszprSNyes0NUE;\_ylu=X3oDMTA3OTB1amhuBHNlYwNtdHM](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061008/ap_on_el_se/allen_in_business;_ylt=AhvrByfhgIO3aSPszprSNyes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OTB1amhuBHNlYwNtdHM) \*\*Allen didn’t disclose stock options \*\* > [@](#): > > For the past five years, Sen. George Allen (news, bio, voting record), has failed to tell Congress about stock options he got for his work as a director of a high-tech company. The Virginia Republican also asked the Army to help another business that gave him similar options… They call him _El Tostado_! ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/13 "2006-10-09T00:35:07Z")
[QUOTE=samclem] Ok. I’m in late here. Where’s the cite? Or am I being whooshed? [/QUOTE] [Allen’s mother is Jewish, which makes him Jewish.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092001965.html) Ask any of our Jewish Dopers and they’ll be happy to point that out. And as far as the pin goes, [that looks to be the _least_ of the symbols he’s used.](http://www.thepoliticalpitbull.com/2006/05/sen_george_allen_and_the_confe.php)(And a slight correction, it was a Confederate flag pin, not Klan, per se) > [@](#): > > donned a Confederate flag pin in his high school yearbook picture. > [@](#): > > But, while Allen may have genuflected in the direction of Gingrich, he also showed a touch of Strom Thurmond. Campaigning for governor in 1993, he admitted to prominently displaying a Confederate flag in his living room. He said it was part of a flag collection–and had been removed at the start of his gubernatorial bid. When it was learned that he kept a noose hanging on a ficus tree in his law office, he said it was part of a Western memorabilia collection. > [@](#): > > In 1994, he said he would accept an honorary membership at a Richmond social club with a well-known history of discrimination–an invitation that the three previous governors had refused. After an outcry, Allen rejected the offer. He replaced the only black member of the University of Virginia (UVA) Board of Visitors with a white one. He issued a proclamation drafted by the Sons of Confederate Veterans declaring April Confederate History and Heritage Month. The text celebrated Dixie’s “four-year struggle for independence and sovereign rights.” There was no mention of slavery. > [@](#): > > In 1984, he was one of 27 House members to vote against a state holiday commemorating Martin Luther King Jr. The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, “Allen said the state shouldn’t honor a non-Virginian with his own holiday.” He was also bothered by the fact that the proposed holiday would fall on the day set aside in Virginia to honor Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. That same year, he did feel the urge to honor one of Virginia’s own. He co-sponsored a resolution expressing “regret and sorrow upon the loss” of William Munford Tuck, a politician who opposed every piece of civil rights legislation while in Congress during the 1950s and 1960s and promised “massive resistance” to the Supreme Court’s 1954 decision banning segregation. There’s more, but I think that what I’ve quoted should suffice to show that he’s not exactly a man of sterling character to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/14 "2006-10-09T00:35:36Z")
[QUOTE=samclem] Ok. I’m in late here. Where’s the cite? Or am I being whooshed? [/QUOTE] The revelation that his mother’s family was Jewish came in this campaign. I have no knowledge of any “Klan pin” though. The closest campaign issue like that is a photo of him posing with leaders of the CCC (the rich version of the Klan), and there is some question about how much he knew about the group (though he is known to have hired one of their members as Govenror). > [@](#): > > I lived their for a little over a year. While I was there they passed another anti gay act with very loose wording that could effectivly prevent people from willing their estates to those of the same sex. Can you clarify this? Virginia THIS election is voting on a constitutional amendment which many argue will do this. But it’s not law yet. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/15 "2006-10-09T00:41:55Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] \*\*Allen didn’t disclose stock options \*\* [/QUOTE] I love his defense, basically: “As it turned out, I didn’t make any money off of it, so I felt that no one had to know my connections or the effect they might have had on my actions.” What the hell does whether the gamble worked out or not have to do with whether or not the public should know? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/16 "2006-10-09T01:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] I love his defense, basically: “As it turned out, I didn’t make any money off of it, so I felt that no one had to know my connections or the effect they might have had on my actions.” [/QUOTE] Has this man ever taken an ethics course? That’s exactly why you disclose your financial interests, not so that the public can know how much money you’ve made, but so we have some idea of your connections and the effect they might have on your actions as a member of a government body. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/17 "2006-10-09T01:21:59Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] I love his defense, basically: “As it turned out, I didn’t make any money off of it, so I felt that no one had to know my connections or the effect they might have had on my actions.” [/QUOTE] If you consider $250,000 to be nothing, I guess he has a point. **Originally posted by [Yahoo.com](http://Yahoo.com)** > [@](#): > > In interviews, Allen and his staff sought to play down his corporate dealings, saying they were a good learning experience but did not lead to extraordinary riches — except for a quarter-million-dollar windfall from Com-Net Ericsson stock. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/18 "2006-10-09T01:41:16Z")
What, a measly quarter mill? Chump change, find it in the sofa. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/19 "2006-10-09T02:05:53Z")
> [@](#): > > George Allen, the time to stop lying has come. At _ **best** _ he might agree it’s time to **change** lies. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728/20 "2006-10-09T03:25:05Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] Can you clarify this? Virginia THIS election is voting on a constitutional amendment which many argue will do this. But it’s not law yet. [/QUOTE] I appoligize you are correct. I beleive the motion to put it on the ballet was made while I was living there. In VA I’m sure it will pass [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-allen-the-time-to-stop-lying-has-come-i-dont-need-any-n-word-ten/375728.md?page=2)