# George Lucas is even more evil than we thought.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 2, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926 "2011-02-02T19:02:36Z")
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### Author:  [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/1 "2011-02-02T19:02:36Z")
Before you read any further, be advised that the following conversation is going to drive up in a windowless van and ask your childhood if it wants to “ride a pony”. [This](http://ramascreen.com/indiana-jones-is-a-child-molester/) is a snippet from the transcript of a brainstorming session when the makers of _Raiders of the Lost Ark_ were creating the characters of Indian Jones and his love interest, Marion.
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> George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been the mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.
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> Lawrence Kasdan: And he was forty-two.
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> George Lucas: He hasn’t seen her in twelve years. Now she’s twenty-two. It’s a real strange relationship.
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> Steven Spielberg: She had better be older than twenty-two.
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> George Lucas: He’s thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.
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> Steven Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him.
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> George Lucas: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it’s an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he …
That’s right. Lucas wanted to make Indiana Jones a pedophile.
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### Author:  [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/2 "2011-02-02T19:05:18Z")
No bad ideas in brainstorming!
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### Author:  [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/3 "2011-02-02T19:06:21Z")
Now everyone knows why his bullwhip handle was so soft and supple…
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### Author:  [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/4 "2011-02-02T19:10:45Z")
how old was she in the film? isn’t she still a lot younger than he?
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### Author:  [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/5 "2011-02-02T19:58:24Z")
> [@PSXer](#):
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> how old was she in the film? isn’t she still a lot younger than he?
Yeah, there is certainly the implication left that she was young and he wasn’t.
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### Author:  [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/6 "2011-02-02T20:03:48Z")
In the movie, it felt like she’d been 17-18 and he’d been mid-20’s. Enough of a difference to create different maturity levels but close enough to not be totally skeevy.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/7 "2011-02-02T20:12:07Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#):
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> In the movie, it felt like she’d been 17-18 and he’d been mid-20’s. Enough of a difference to create different maturity levels but close enough to not be totally skeevy.
Harrison Ford is nine years older than Karen Allen and it’s been ten years since Indy and Marion have seen each other at the start of Raiders.
So yeah, she would have been 17 or 18 during their affair while Indy would have been in his late 20s.
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### Author:  [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/8 "2011-02-02T20:12:35Z")
I’m reading Spielberg as incredulous, then as totally sarcastically joking in that second line. But it’s clear that Lucas doesn’t get the humor.
And that’s gross.
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### Author:  [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/9 "2011-02-02T20:44:31Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#):
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> In the movie, it felt like she’d been 17-18 and he’d been mid-20’s. Enough of a difference to create different maturity levels but close enough to not be totally skeevy.
That’s what I always thought. I believe lndy was in grad school when the affair happened. That would’ve put his age somewhere between 22 through 26. As for Marion, I figured she was at least driving age (16).
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/10 "2011-02-02T20:46:28Z")
I wonder who got to tell Harrison Ford about the pedo angle to his character. Considering his reaction to mere bad dialogue, I don’t think George would want to be around when this little tidbit was explained.
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### Author:  [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/11 "2011-02-02T20:48:59Z")
Assuming that the alleged sexual misconduct would have happened in the late 1920s… wasn’t that actually somewhat normal? Or at least more acceptable?
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/12 "2011-02-02T20:52:04Z")
> [@steronz](#):
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> Assuming that the alleged sexual misconduct would have happened in the late 1920s… wasn’t that actually somewhat normal? Or at least more acceptable?
For marriage, that was very normal.
But Indy and Marion were likely knockin’ boots in the library hoping Professor Ravenwood didn’t catch them. That wasn’t so accepted.
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### Author:  [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/13 "2011-02-02T20:54:57Z")
Hey, she told him she was 18.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/14 "2011-02-02T21:01:13Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#):
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> Hey, she told him she was 18.
Try to keep up man, in the final script, she _was_ 18.
Don’t make me crack the whip.
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/15 "2011-02-02T22:36:45Z")
Was it normal for girls to be married at 16 in the early twentieth century in the United States? Because I’ve done some genealogy work and though I’ve never taken statistics it seems to me that most women married for the first time in their early twenties. My grandmother-in-law was married when she was 15 or 16 and a friend of mine has a grandmother who was married by the time she was 16 but I don’t think it was as common as some believe it was.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/16 "2011-02-02T23:33:50Z")
> [@Snickers](#):
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> I’m reading Spielberg as incredulous, then as totally sarcastically joking in that second line.
That’s Lawrence Kasdan in the second line, not Spielberg.
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### Author:  [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)
#### Post date: [February 2, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/17 "2011-02-02T23:47:02Z")
> [@Odesio](#):
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> Was it normal for girls to be married at 16 in the early twentieth century in the United States? Because I’ve done some genealogy work and though I’ve never taken statistics it seems to me that most women married for the first time in their early twenties. My grandmother-in-law was married when she was 15 or 16 and a friend of mine has a grandmother who was married by the time she was 16 but I don’t think it was as common as some believe it was.
Here you go:
[http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005061.html](http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005061.html)
I don’t think marrying young was unusual - my grandmother married during WWII at the age of 15 - her mother married 20 years before that at the age of 16 - but the median age was around 21.
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### Author:  [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/18 "2011-02-03T00:05:17Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> That’s Lawrence Kasdan in the second line, not Spielberg.
He meant Spielberg’s second line:
_Steven Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him._
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### Author:  [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/19 "2011-02-03T00:10:07Z")
I dont’t think of Lucas as evil, only stupid.
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### Author:  [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-lucas-is-even-more-evil-than-we-thought/569926/20 "2011-02-03T00:27:11Z")
My grandmother was either sixteen or seventeen, I think, but she was pregnant and my grandfather was going into the Navy during WWII. Bonus info I learned at her funeral-- he wasn’t the father! He just stepped in to help support her when the other guy ran off. That would be in about '42
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