# George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice And Fire", Book Four Announced **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 25, 2001, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197 "2001-11-25T23:35:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2001, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/21 "2001-11-27T21:35:34Z")
Kickass Younger Sister is a personal favorite. I suspect that her coin has bought passage to a place she does not suspect. The Deformed Brainy Guy is another favorite. His treatment of Fink-Girl, and his treatment by Fink-Girl made me want to weep. His Oedipal moment made me want to cheer. And I sincerely hope he gave the Giant Kisser full payment. Ugly swordsman & ugly swordswoman both made strong showings, but I think the real tribute to GRRM is that I found myself believing in the transformation of Lefty. It takes true skill to pull off something like that. I’m not really a fan of Suckler of Dragons or the Fat Fighter. I’d like to see A Man apologize to them both. Mother of the Groom (shouldn’t that be Sister of the Groom?) is (was?) an incredibly well-devloped character, though I found her only slightly less annoying than her sister. That gap is the difference between tragedy and morality play. Half-brother is too good to be true. And Tubby Friend is too disguised-good to be true. Everyone is guessing who mother is, but is anyone asking who father is? (Am I my father’s nephew?) I like the frogs. I loathe (as is proper) the Leech Lords. I have a guilty sympathy for Squid Boy (and Squid Girl, teaser of incest), but after all the kings and lords and dragons and direwolves are added together, it’s the Knuckle Hand who carries my deepest sympathies. Man–how many years till I can see how it all ends? I’ll never make it! ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2001, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/22 "2001-11-27T22:22:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spiritus Mundi \* > **Mother of the Groom (shouldn’t that be Sister of the Groom?) is (was?) an incredibly well-devloped character, though I found her only slightly less annoying than her sister. That gap is the difference between tragedy and morality play.** No…the groom in question is the one who ended up with the wolf’s ears after the wedding in the third book. Mother of the Groom’s sister is “I wanna see him FLY!”'s mom. Are we talking about the same character? Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Beaker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Grim\_Beaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Beaker)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2001, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/23 "2001-11-27T22:38:12Z")
Who do I despise the most in this series? It’s miss “I-FUCKED-EVERYONE-UP-BY-KIDNAPPING-QUASIMODO-AND-FREEING-LEFTY-I-ALWAYS-THINK-WITH-MY-FEELINGS-AND-THOSE-ARE-DUMBER-THEN-A-COLOSTOMY-BAG”. Man, I can’t believe how many people she screwed by not thinking a little farther then the moment. Regarding some of the bad guy’s who have died… well, somehow, their death’s just didn’t seem very _satisfying_. I mean, I know they’re dead and gone for good but **geez!** They didn’t really suffer at all! Grrr… seems like they got off easy. Grim ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/24 "2001-11-28T00:02:33Z")
> [@](#): > > No…the groom in question is the one who ended up with the wolf’s ears after the wedding in the third book. Yeah, but it wasn’t his wedding. His wedding happened earlier and off-stage. The groom was the lady in question’s brother. That was my point. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/25 "2001-11-28T00:07:08Z")
> [@](#): > > I like the frogs. I loathe (as is proper) the Leech Lords. I have a guilty sympathy for Squid Boy (and Squid Girl, teaser of incest) How could I have forgotten either of those pairs! The Squids and the Frogs are definitely among my favorite characters as well. When wind is blowing across everyone else’s graves, the Frogsketeers will take over the world. Quick, observant, wise beyond their years. I would be like either of them if I could. Not to mention their uncanny senses… And I gotta love the Squids’ attitude. They are definitely some of the ballsiest and funniest characters in the series. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/26 "2001-11-28T00:14:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spiritus Mundi \* > \*\* > Yeah, but it wasn’t his wedding. His wedding happened earlier and off-stage. The groom was the lady in question’s brother. That was my point. \*\* D’oh! You’re completely right. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Pucette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/278dde/32.png) [@Pucette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucette)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/27 "2001-11-28T14:08:21Z")
I, for what it is worth, cannot STAND squid boy. I like the knight who makes my eyes cry though. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/28 "2001-11-28T21:00:15Z")
> [@](#): > > I like the knight who makes my eyes cry though. Who? ---
**Author:** ![Zanshin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e274bd/32.png) [@Zanshin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanshin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/29 "2001-11-28T21:52:20Z")
I hope you guys are happy. After glancing at this thread (I know better, really and truly I do…), I ran out at lunchtime and bought **Storm of Swords**. I was planning on waiting till it came out in paperback, but this thread piqued my curiosity so much that I couldn’t wait. So the hardcover is sitting in my backpack, patiently awaiting the train ride home from work. 😃 (And thanks, y’all, for not posting spoilers.) (BTW, **Fenris** , glad to find someone else who’s an Exile fan. Julian May absolutely kills me – that’s some of the most intelligent writing I’ve ever read!) ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/30 "2001-11-28T21:54:16Z")
Otherwise known as Sir Knuckle-in-a-Bag. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2001, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197/31 "2001-11-28T22:08:52Z")
My fault – I was paying too much attention to the ship. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-r-r-martins-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-four-announced/95197.md?page=1)