# George Soros predicts depression, police state, class war in **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 24, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555 "2012-01-24T23:29:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/21 "2012-01-26T02:40:52Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I hope he’s paying the Mayan’s a royalty or something for this… > > -XT That Mayan’s what? The Mayan’s priests? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/22 "2012-01-26T03:06:56Z")
I call dibs on being Aunty Entity. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/23 "2012-01-26T03:39:23Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > That Mayan’s what? The Mayan’s priests? Naw, I just threw in the extra apostrophe free of charge. 😛 (or, it could be my iPad ‘helping’ me again. Hard to say, but thanks for pointing it out) -XT ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/24 "2012-01-26T04:07:27Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I wonder - does Soros have armed bodyguards? I suspect that he does. I saw him speak in Oxford in '06 and he turned up on his own in a taxi. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/25 "2012-01-26T04:16:12Z")
_invisible_ armed bodyguards. ---
**Author:** ![dorsk188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@dorsk188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorsk188)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/26 "2012-01-26T05:45:08Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Hey, the sooner we get to a gritty, cyberpunk future the better. Personally, I can accept the loss of a lot of my freedom if I can get me a direct neural connection to internet porn. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/27 "2012-01-26T10:16:11Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > The Obama administration is actively aiding torturers and kidnappers by denying their victims the ability to settle their grievances in court, and by throwing the 1917 Espionage Act at anyone who dares to reveal these crimes. Obama made the totally unprecedented step of authorizing the killing of natural born US citizens, something Bush never even dared do. [http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-02/news/30252234\_1\_president-obama-citizen-protection](http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-02/news/30252234_1_president-obama-citizen-protection) > [@](#): > > Awlaki was a U.S. citizen. Under our Constitution, American citizens, even those living abroad, must be charged with a crime before being sentenced. As President, I would have arrested Awlaki, brought him to the U.S., tried him and pushed for the stiffest punishment allowed by law. Treason has historically been judged to be the worst of crimes, deserving of the harshest sentencing. But what I would not do as President is what Obama has done and continues to do in spectacular fashion: circumvent the rule of law. > > On Feb. 3, 2010, Dennis Blair, then the country’s director of national intelligence, admitted before the House Intelligence Committee that “Being a U.S. citizen will not spare an American from getting assassinated by military or intelligence operatives.” This open admission by an Obama administration official, not even attempting to keep it classified or top secret, sets a dangerous new precedent in our history. This is very, very scary. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/28 "2012-01-26T10:47:44Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Obama made the totally unprecedented step of authorizing the killing of natural born US citizens, something Bush never even dared do… > > …This is very, very scary. Is it scary because the target was a natural born US citizen? If so, can you explain why it’s ok when it’s a foreigner? Surely if the Pres can decide it’s in the greater good for some shmuck to be taken out, their nationality isn’t really any issue? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/29 "2012-01-26T11:11:42Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > It’s funny - Soros is a big opponent of gun ownership and has funded numerous gun “control” (banning) organizations. (The rumor that he owns a company called “Cerberus” which intends to buy up firearm manufacturers in order to dissolve them is absolute bullshit - totally untrue - but he is, nonetheless, anti-gun.) > > So. Soros thinks that there will be a class war, a police state, and general collapse of society. _And_ he thinks that people should _not_ be able to own firearms in order to protect themselves from said class war, police state and general collapse of society. Please; guns won’t protect you from a police state. Gun ownership was common under Saddam in Iraq; it didn’t hamper his tyranny one bit. And that’s assuming that those gun owners you think are some sort of bastion for liberty will _oppose_ the police state. Given how they tend to be right wing and to show zero concern for any rights besides the right to own a gun, it’s rather more likely those gun owners would serve as ready-made death squad members for such a regime. I’m sure the typical NRA member would _love_ the chance to kill some liberals or “welfare queens” or homosexuals or atheists with the sanction of the government behind them. Just so long as the government guarantees them guns, it won’t even occur to them that anything they are doing is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Linden\_Arden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Linden\_Arden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linden_Arden)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/30 "2012-01-26T15:08:40Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > It’s funny - Soros is a big opponent of gun ownership and has funded numerous gun “control” (banning) organizations. I can’t find any evidence to support this claim. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/31 "2012-01-26T20:53:03Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Is it scary because the target was a natural born US citizen? > > If so, can you explain why it’s ok when it’s a foreigner? Surely if the Pres can decide it’s in the greater good for some shmuck to be taken out, their nationality isn’t really any issue? Oh thats scary too, its just with a foreign national on foriegn soil lots of exceptions and ifs and buts can be raised. It also gets legally questionable if they can be legally kidnapped and hauled back to the US for trial. I didn’t say I agreed with it or think its morally right, its just the way things have worked for decades. The CIA is legally forbidden to investigate US citizens as well, anything goes for non-citizens. But a US citizen is different, no one in their right mind would argue that US citizens do not have constitutional rights when dealing with the US government even if not in the US. There was also nothing questionable about arresting Awlaki and hauling him back to the US for trial, he was a citizen after all. The US government executed a US citizen with no due process, no trial, no nothing. This is the scariest slippery slope a country can be on. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/32 "2012-01-26T20:59:29Z")
Ah, to be in a time when the constitution defined the only things the government could do, rather than be a weak, semantically slippery check on the things it can’t. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/33 "2012-01-26T21:37:22Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Ah, to be in a time when the constitution defined the only things the government could do, rather than be a weak, semantically slippery check on the things it can’t. No, what we’ve got now is better. ---
**Author:** ![Linden\_Arden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Linden\_Arden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linden_Arden)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/34 "2012-01-26T23:29:12Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Indeed, he did buy about $6.3 billion in bonded debt from MF Global. He paid about $2 billion, so it is in his interest to force the USA to lend money to european banks. > This guy is for Soros-and Soros only. He doesn’t give a damn about anyone else. > Of course he wants to protect the Euro-as long as YOU pay for it. This is absurd. There is ZERO evidence the US government is willing to loan to Euro-banks. The Fed set up a swap line to the ECB so that may be confusing you. The IMF was told that no new US funds were forthcoming. What possible reason do you have for this claim? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/35 "2012-01-29T16:41:30Z")
> [@grude](#): > > The US government executed a US citizen with no due process, no trial, no nothing. This is the scariest slippery slope a country can be on. But it was war time! We are in a war on terror! Anything goes in wartime! What if terror wins, and we all have to bow down to terror and do whatever terror says? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/36 "2012-01-29T19:14:38Z")
George Soros is predicting chaos because he indirectly supports groups that promote it. His donations to the Tide Center (money targeted for specific projects) allows donations (not targeted for specific projects) to be used to fund groups like adbusters who in turn promoted the occupy wall street movement. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/37 "2012-01-29T19:15:54Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > George Soros is predicting chaos because he indirectly supports groups that promote it. His donations to the Tide Center (money targeted for specific projects) allows donations (not targeted for specific projects) to be used to fund groups like adbusters who in turn promoted the occupy wall street movement. :rolleyes: Those are not groups that “promote chaos.” (N.B.: Cloward-Pivening is a myth.) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/38 "2012-01-29T19:50:09Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: Those are not groups that “promote chaos.” (N.B.: Cloward-Pivening is a myth.) I disagree. The mere act of occupying public space is anarchistic denial of land use as are the attempts to stop transportation of goods, and the disruption of travel. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/39 "2012-01-29T20:10:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > George Soros is predicting chaos because he indirectly supports groups that promote it. His donations to the Tide Center (money targeted for specific projects) allows donations (not targeted for specific projects) to be used to fund groups like adbusters who in turn promoted the occupy wall street movement. Apologies, but just to clarify: the accusation is that he directly supports a group who indirectly supports a group that promotes a group who promote an organisation that supports the Occupy movement? I just want to make sure I’m at the right level of degrees of kevin bacon here. Is it a 4 or a 5? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555/40 "2012-01-29T20:11:56Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I disagree. The mere act of occupying public space is anarchistic denial of land use as are the attempts to stop transportation of goods, and the disruption of travel. That definition would actually suggest that every public rally is tantamount to anarchy. They all occupy public space, after all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-soros-predicts-depression-police-state-class-war-in/610555.md?page=3)