# George W. Bush "Our Leader" Billboards **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 24, 2004, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416 "2004-11-24T03:55:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/21 "2004-11-24T05:22:06Z")
anarcho whatis?? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/22 "2004-11-24T05:23:39Z")
ruff ruff Geez…just how long is 60 seconds anyway? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/23 "2004-11-24T05:24:01Z")
Yeah, right. Trotskyist or Trotskyite? Got $5 says you know. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/24 "2004-11-24T05:24:42Z")
Well, Reeder hates Bush, therefore Reeder’s a Democrat. Isn’t that how the two-party system works? You Americans are so confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/25 "2004-11-24T05:25:57Z")
> [@Johnny Angel](#): > > **Si Amiga** wrote: > > The day somebody wins an election and people just let it go, it will no longer be America. Well Kerry let it go . . . and wasn’t he the one running. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/26 "2004-11-24T05:31:59Z")
So what’s next? Loyalty oaths? Bureaucratic purges? ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/27 "2004-11-24T05:32:28Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > anarcho whatis?? [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=anarcho-syndicalist](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=anarcho%2Dsyndicalist) I am an anarcho-syndicalist. In common use in a forum like this it means someone whose economic poltics are heavily toward socialism, but on social issues are very much libertarian. In fact a synonym for anarcho-sydicalism is “libertarian socialism”. Many European countries have active anarcho-syndicalist political parties. The Scandanavian nations with their cradle to grave social welfare programs alongside of capitalism, with little interest in legislating morality, probably come closest to this. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/28 "2004-11-24T05:32:55Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Well, Reeder hates Bush, therefore Reeder’s a Democrat. > > Isn’t that how the two-party system works? You Americans are so confusing. Not quite. Republicans love Bush, everybody else fears/loathes. Xtians love Bush, except for Jesus, who rolls His eyes ands says “Feh!” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/29 "2004-11-24T05:41:23Z")
**Si Amigo** wrote: > [@](#): > > Well Kerry let it go . . . and wasn’t he the one running. You’re changing the subject. You objected to criticism of Bush propaganda on the grounds that he won the election. My response was apropos of that. You then talk about the issue of ceding the election, which is an entirely different matter. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/30 "2004-11-24T05:41:35Z")
> [@Si Amigo](#): > > Well Kerry let it go . . . and wasn’t he the one running. :smack: Kerry didn’t let it go. He rolled. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/31 "2004-11-24T05:43:35Z")
I don’t hate Bush. I would have loved for him to have taken his cut from our tax dollars and retired gracefully. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/32 "2004-11-24T05:48:25Z")
> [@Johnny Angel](#): > > **Si Amigo** wrote: > > You’re changing the subject. You objected to criticism of Bush propaganda on the grounds that he won the election. My response was apropos of that. You then talk about the issue of ceding the election, which is an entirely different matter. Yeah, but it’s not “Bush propaganda” per se (at least not in the totalitarian sense of propaganda) if a private party did it with its own money, in order to suck up to Bush and obtain favorable political results. That’s more like “lobbying.” [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) showed, I think, that both sides of the pro/anti Bush message can readily be aired by private parties willing to take the time and money. Not so in totalitarian-land. I don’t disagree with your much more modest version of the notion that we should use trends that showed up in bad governments as cautionary tales, but (a) we’ve agreed that we’re not near the extremes that these sort of regimes reached, and (b) the “indicators” are not infallible, both because they’re susceptible of being attributed to any government and because they may be characteristic of a totalitarian government without really being connected to its totalitarian nature. The Nazis were big into building great road systems (for both military and civil purposes). I don’t think the presence or absence of a strong pro-highway policy tells us much about whether a government’s headed toward being Nazi like. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/33 "2004-11-24T05:55:38Z")
> [@Johnny Angel](#): > > **Si Amigo** wrote: > > You’re changing the subject. You objected to criticism of Bush propaganda on the grounds that he won the election. My response was apropos of that. You then talk about the issue of ceding the election, which is an entirely different matter. Sorry, but I got caught up in the moment. :smack: I see now that you were expounding on the BIG picture. And now back to our regulary schudeled program . . . ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/34 "2004-11-24T06:16:29Z")
A few short months ago, folks were scolded, excoriated, flamed, and boxed about the ears for saying anything in Great Debates that couldn’t be **cited.** When did I miss the sticky that announced that GD is now a subsidiary of **The BBQ Pit?** Please advise. 😕 Respectfully, AskNott ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/35 "2004-11-24T06:28:05Z")
**Huerta88** wrote: > [@](#): > > The Nazis were big into building great road systems (for both military and civil purposes). I don’t think the presence or absence of a strong pro-highway policy tells us much about whether a government’s headed toward being Nazi like. I don’t know if the degree of relevance from any of the 14 criteria listed is quite that far out, but I’m as tempted as anybody to make sure I’m not one of the people who missed the signs that will be so obvious to future generations. “Well, duh,” the kids will say. “Weakening civil liberties in support of a war on some abstract notion of ‘terror,’ using disproven evidence to justify an invasion, a burgeoning cult of personality. Why didn’t you stop this guy?” I want to be able to say, “Oh, yeah, well, I mean I totally saw the shit coming, and spoke up and everything.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/36 "2004-11-24T06:39:54Z")
We did the whole “characteristics of fascism” from the 2nd cite in the OP quite awhile ago in GD. I’m not going to search for that thread, but needless to say it was a trainwreck. If anyone is interested, he can do a search and dig it up. Many of the posters in this thread were around then and should remember it. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/37 "2004-11-24T06:45:29Z")
Could this possibly be an anti-Bush statement that uses irony in order to draw a parallel between Bush and Hitler or (more possibly) Bush and Saddam Hussein? The first thing I thought when I saw this was “they can’t really be serious, this has to be an anti-Bush political statement.” But I don’t think most people are that smart. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/38 "2004-11-24T06:49:44Z")
When there’s a line item in the federal budget to erect “Our Leader” billboards in every majore city of the US, I’ll be concerned. Until then, I think I’ll just pour myself another glass of wine and enjoy the evening. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/39 "2004-11-24T11:45:20Z")
My biggest concern is that while ClearChannel is not a government entity, there are only 2 real voices in radio left, and they’re both suck-ups and fearful of the FCC. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-w-bush-our-leader-billboards/276416/40 "2004-11-24T12:09:27Z")
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