But he is an obvioius liar. As for moron, he was not born developmentally challenged, that was an achievement purely his own.
“The President came to our class today. It was the greatest day in my life until he had to leave for 9/11. Reflecting on that now I conclude that the President dont think we’re worth shit.”?
Let me fix that for you:
“The President came to our class today. It was the greatest day in my life until he had to leave for 9/11. I sure hope mom makes macorni and cheese with the little hotdogs in it for supper tonight.”
Damn, you are fucking retarded.
“I could so take care of a pony, I HATE MOM & DAD!”
+1.
I had to jump back in the fray to respond to this, my earlier withdrawal notwithstanding. To Drunky Smurf’s apt, and succint retort, I must add: WTF is wrong with you? Seriously, have you been diagnosed with some kind of sociopathic disorder? Did you lose your meds?
I’m a dyed-in-the-wool progressive liberal, and a hardcore atheist - on paper, you and I should agree more often than not. But I can find absolutely nothing to defend about anything you say. Ever. You’re just as bad as the slathering Tea Partiers who spread crap about death panels and socialism.
Just give us all a fucking break and stop dragging perfectly fine threads into the Pit to promote your particular brand of radical, unthinking hatred.
I don’t know, to me Bush didn’t look like he was smugly planning the deaths of thousands; he had a different look than the one he sported when he was smugly defending the conquest of Iraq or his use of torture. The look on his head was more one of “I wonder if I can head to the ranch for a couple of news cycles until this blows over.”
It was nice of him to tell his fans not to blow up mosques in the aftermath, I guess. One point to Bush for opening his piehole and not having stupidity gush forth. One point.

Just give us all a fucking break and stop dragging perfectly fine threads into the Pit to promote your particular brand of radical, unthinking hatred.
Because of course it’s so incredibly irrational to attribute malice to a vindictive, dishonest, ruthless, amoral, mass murderer and torturer.

I don’t know, to me Bush didn’t look like he was smugly planning the deaths of thousands; he had a different look than the one he sported when he was smugly defending the conquest of Iraq or his use of torture. The look on his head was more one of “I wonder if I can head to the ranch for a couple of news cycles until this blows over.”
More like: “I wonder if they’ll let me head to the ranch for a couple of news cycles untl this blows over.”
“I wonder what Dick will do.”
He really did look puzzled, sitting there like a wart on a frog on a bump on a log in a hole in the middle of the bottom of the sea.
Anyone remember the “Reagan as Genius” SNL skit?
Maybe when Bush heard the news, as he was reading The Pet Goat to the little woogumses, he was actually racing his mind through a giant geopolitical chessboard, looking 64 moves ahead and accounting for 1.271E+14 variables in 5-D mental space. By the time the goat had finally reached his happy ending in the book, Bush had not only won the war, he had realized that the Greater Good was served by allowing Bin Laden to escape. And at that moment, Bush knew the shining path forward. In short, that he needed to start training in secret a young State Senator, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, in the arts of jujitsu, Hungarian cooking, and world domination. And I don’t need to tell any of YOU what the result was…he makes a damn fine goulash, too.
If Bush hadn’t gone through that mental exercise, and planned what on its face was a War of Futility, then, according to his calculations (praise be!), by 2004 Rome, London, Paris, and Scranton, PA, would have had simultaneous attacks by Al Qaeda using stolen Russian MIRV warheads. Bin Laden’s master plan would have placed the blame on Spain, resulting in a retaliatory strike which would have glassed over the entire Iberian peninsula.
Bush saved hundreds of millions of lives with his indecision. Maybe trillions of lives. We’ll never know. What did you do today? Play WOW in a Cheetos-encrusted shirt until your Mom drove you to Burger King for the night shift?

If folks have some vision of presidents leaping to immediate and deliberate action whenever they hear about some catastrophy, they are deluding themselves. I assure you, when a president hears, “Mr. President! Evil people are attacking us!” they take a couple minutes to get it together. You don’t see it on film, but it’s happening.
Bush can’t just say that, though. **He has to play the game and claim that he was all ready to leap into action as the public believes a president should, but he couldn’t alarm the kiddies. He has to play that game, or he will be attacked for not springing into action.**So now he has to look like an obvious liar and moron, all because he isn’t ‘allowed’ to just keep it real.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be action, though. I mean, at the very least, it seems to me that a sane and reasonable reaction would be “You know, I think it’d be a good idea if I went someplace where I could get detailed information on this matter.” It doesn’t have to be immediate and deliberate action, it can simply be preparation for such action, or learning more about what has already taken place. I’m less than convinced that your assurance holds true for most people.
I mean, if a police officer knocked on your door and told you your car had been stolen, I wouldn’t expect you to grab a gun and head out to search for the perpetrator. But nor would I expect you to stand at the door, staring at the cop for minutes. I’d guess you’d ask questions.

It doesn’t necessarily have to be action, though. I mean, at the very least, it seems to me that a sane and reasonable reaction would be “You know, I think it’d be a good idea if I went someplace where I could get detailed information on this matter.” It doesn’t have to be immediate and deliberate action, it can simply be preparation for such action, or learning more about what has already taken place. I’m less than convinced that your assurance holds true for most people.
I mean, if a police officer knocked on your door and told you your car had been stolen, I wouldn’t expect you to grab a gun and head out to search for the perpetrator. But nor would I expect you to stand at the door, staring at the cop for minutes. I’d guess you’d ask questions.
Yeah, blinking at the cop for what would surely seem an eternity would be bizarre. But finishing my tea, talking to my husband, finishing my daughter’s hair…these are things I could see myself doing in the interest of ‘getting my shit together’ before I set out on operation car recovery.
But this analogy falls shabby quickly. It’s obviously an entirely different scene when you get news, as the Commander in Chief, that there has been a huge attack on home soil. So, I’m just pulling shit out of my ass, I guess. I have no idea how folks would behave.
Una Persson is cracking me up. She was so cool and funny in that last post, that I nearly forgot how pedantic and humorless the whole 'GET THE TITLE OF THE BOOK RIGHT!" post was. Almost.

Because of course it’s so incredibly irrational to attribute malice to a vindictive, dishonest, ruthless, amoral, mass murderer and torturer.
As criminal, negligent, and yes, in some cases malicious, as I may feel the actions of the Bush administration were, I don’t think any rational person with any semblance of empathy, regardless of how left-leaning, could even begin to imagine that the following ran through Bush’s head on 9/11:
Bush was probably controlling the urge to cheer and dance. A bunch of dead New Yorkers (evil liberals, don’t you know), an excuse to run wild; the only thing that would have made him happier would be if it had been a nuke.
I knew a half dozen good people who died in the WTC, and I watched them die live on tv when the towers went down - to see their names, and those of three thousand others, invoked in your vitriolic, counterproductive bullshit makes me sick to my stomach.
Not everyone actually wishes death and destruction upon those they disagree with - it’s pretty much just you and the terrorists. Methinks you’re projecting your own sociopathic attitudes onto those you despise, and all that you’re accomplishing is the alienation of any others who might possibly share your cause.

Not everyone actually wishes death and destruction upon those they disagree with - it’s pretty much just you and the terrorists.
Did you live through the same Bush Administration I did? Bush and his friends are vindictive, sadistic and have zero respect for life. If America was less powerful they’d have been tried as war criminals.
And I find it just fascinating that thinking Bush is a bad person makes me the equivalent of a terrorist. And how it’s apparently sociopathic and irrational to attribute evil motives to a man with the body count and history Bush does, while it’s perfectly all right to claim that I’m some sort of monster despite my having a grand total of zero deaths to my credit.

Did you live through the same Bush Administration I did? Bush and his friends are vindictive, sadistic and have zero respect for life. If America was less powerful they’d have been tried as war criminals.
And I find it just fascinating that thinking Bush is a bad person makes me the equivalent of a terrorist. And how it’s apparently sociopathic and irrational to attribute evil motives to a man with the body count and history Bush does, while it’s perfectly all right to claim that I’m some sort of monster despite my having a grand total of zero deaths to my credit.
Der, every now and then, I sit and listen for a while to my future father-in-law tell stories of his survival in WWII - he was a Ukrainian refugee who at the age of 14 fled Stalin only to end up in one of Hitler’s work camps.
As awful a leader as Bush was, he doesn’t even budge the needle in comparison when it comes to systematic murder of millions of his own citizens. Shut the fuck up. Seriously.

Did you live through the same Bush Administration I did? Bush and his friends are vindictive, sadistic and have zero respect for life. If America was less powerful they’d have been tried as war criminals.
You have some spittle dripping down your chin. Might want to wipe it off before you start frothing again. You’re the board’s pet psychomoron. We want to keep you looking pretty.

Der, every now and then, I sit and listen for a while to my future father-in-law tell stories of his survival in WWII - he was a Ukrainian refugee who at the age of 14 fled Stalin only to end up in one of Hitler’s work camps.
As awful a leader as Bush was, he doesn’t even budge the needle in comparison when it comes to systematic murder of millions of his own citizens. Shut the fuck up. Seriously.
+1. I was trying to find a way to reply while investing minimal time, since DT just. isn’t. worth. it.
To follow up: Jenaroph’s excellent post underlines a basic truth. There truly have been leaders with murder in their hearts - Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot come to mind most immediately. And then there are leaders whose crimes are those of base motivations and negligence.
While the end result may still be the death of innocents, to confuse one with another serves only to cheapen the memory of the victims (of both murderous and negligent alike), and hardens your opposition against any kind of reconciliation of ideals.
I’m hard pressed to decide who is dumber: Shrub or Der Trihs. To bad we can’t run a poll in this forum.