# George Will says vote Dem in November **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 23, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619 "2018-06-23T14:14:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/121 "2018-06-25T23:40:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > To Huey’s point, I bring unto you, this: > > [A Virginia Baker Is in the Spotlight at a Ryan Rally](https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/va-baker-is-in-the-spotlight-at-ryan-rally/?mtrref=t.co) > > Everyone arguing “civility” - you people get played. Every goddamned time. This entire brouhaha is, again, the American Left being played by the Right. Well, **Sam Stone** -care to do a walk-back on your description of the “SHS Tragedy”? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/122 "2018-06-25T23:47:04Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > [snip] > > I’ll say. Have you SEEN what they do to press spokewomen they don’t like? Or to a professor with opinions they don’t like? Or one that refuses to get off campus for a day because he’s white? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you are going to lead with absolute crap, the rest of your message is likely to get ignored. > SHS was asked to leave because of what she does _and_ what she says in public. I was going to say that one should not ignore the rest, because usually one can find a lot of statements that show how some items that are not accurate are fossilising and repeated in conservative media. The example I noted there is a common one, and items like that need to be noted because what the right wing media attempts to do is to unleash hate against the person or groups that are complaining about injustice or just try to make this place a bit better: > **[Another Side Of The Evergreen State College Story](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/evergreen-state-college-another-side_b_598cd293e4b090964295e8fc)** > > 10 realities about the campus tumult that are being ignored. > [@](#): > > 1. Evergreen’s Day of Absence was not “reverse racism.” > > In order for a propaganda campaign to succeed, it needs a Big Lie. At Evergreen, the Big Lie is that Evergreen’s Day of Absence demonstrated “reverse racism” as whites “were forced to leave campus because of the color of their skin.” It is stunning to us how often this “alternative fact” has been repeated until it has become unchallenged truth. The truth is that the Day of Absence has long been an accepted — and voluntary — practice at Evergreen. On the Day of Absence, people of color who chose to do so generally attended an off-campus event, while whites who chose to participate stayed on campus to attend lectures, workshops and discussions about how race and racism shape social structures and everyday life. Many classes embraced the opportunity of Day of Absence to focus attention on how racism has impacted their own disciplines. For instance: a scientist might choose to address how race has historically and inaccurately been traced to genetic differences. A filmmaker might look at the histories of exclusion of people of color from mainstream filmmaking, or cultural stereotypes of race. The Day of Absence follows an important tradition of caucusing, in which people who share a common identity find value in creating autonomous space to share experiences. At Evergreen the Day of Absence is always followed by a Day of Presence where people have the opportunity to reconnect to the larger community by participating in shared learning activities, including a keynote speaker, a performance, and workshops. > > Last spring the organizers switched the two events; the event for students of color was held on-campus, and the event for white students was held off-campus. As always, participation in some form was assumed, but attendance at the events was voluntary; the announcement to the campus read, “On Day of Absence, you can choose how and where to participate.” Nevertheless, faculty member Bret Weinstein denounced it on the faculty listserv, arguing that the college was engaging in “a show of force” and that whites were being coerced to leave campus. Although numerous colleagues attempted to show Weinstein that he was mistaken, he persisted, urging the college to “set phenotype aside.” > > Evergreen’s Director of First Peoples Multicultural Advising Services invited Weinstein to discuss and clarify the purpose of Day of Absence, but he never responded. As Evergreen professor Jon Davies put it in the Seattle Times, the Day of Absence is “always voluntary, always something people could participate in or not. To characterize it as mandated? It’s very hard to mandate anybody to do anything on this campus.” ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/123 "2018-06-26T00:24:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Absolutely. For example, the people who kick women out of restaurants just because they work for someone they don’t like. Or the people who ‘no platform’ people they don’t like by shouting them down, blocking public access, or hitting people on the head with bike locks. > > Then there’s those authoritarians who don’t want people to own guns, or drive cars, or smoke (unless it’s pot), or use energy other than the one preferred by the authoritarians, or peacefully assemble in groups they don’t like. > > Then there are the authoritarians who don’t want merchants and customers to negotiate their own prices, or allow merchants to operate at all without meeting a host of demands and controls. There are the authoritarians in Washington who set up special bureaucracies designed to control people’s financial lives without any congressional oversight - including launching financial pograms against gun stores after they found out the constitution wouldn’t let them just take away people’s guns. > > How about those authoritarians who want to forcibly take the property away from some people and give it to others? Just the worst. Then there are those who want to prevent you from using plastic straws or buying soda. > > Another type of authoritarian you must hate are the ones who threaten and fire autistic engineers for daring to publish a memo that simply explained scientific findings that don’t fit the authoritarian’s political beliefs. Or who injure liberal female professors for having the audacity to bring a 75 year old social scientist to a university for a talk. Can’t have that. > > In my country, the authoritarians create special ‘tribunals’ to punish people who say the wrong kinds of things. And we have authoritarian politicians pushing bill that make it an offence to use a gender pronoun someone doesn’t like, or to utter ‘hate speech’. > > You’re right. Authoritarians are the worst. I remember someone once said, “Government is just the name for the things we do together.” That should be changed to, “Government is just the name for the things we are forced to do together at gunpoint when some of us don’t like what others do and have the political power to stop them - or else.” > > I’ll say. Have you SEEN what they do to press spokewomen they don’t like? Or to a professor with opinions they don’t like? Or one that refuses to get off campus for a day because he’s white? Or GOP congressmen who play baseball? I’ve even heard some of them claim that whiteness is a ‘disease’, or that white people are a threat to the nation. Crazy tribal racists. > > I’m sure glad there’s no tribalism and racism anywhere else. Like here, for example. > > Just out of curiousity, when was the last time a left-wing intellectual needed massive security to protect him or her from mobs of the authoritarian right? > **[Authoritarianism and the Identity Politics of the Republican Party |...](https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/04/09/authoritarianism-and-the-identity-politics-of-the-republican-party/)** > > Here is why Trump's supporters aren't interested in actual policy outcomes. > [@](#): > > The authors [Christopher Federico, Stanley Feldman and Christopher Weber] found that in 1992, 62 percent of white voters who ranked highest on the authoritarian scale supported George H.W. Bush. In 2016, 86 percent of the most authoritarian white voters backed Trump, an increase of 24 percentage points. 86% of white voters who scored high in authoritarianism voted for Trump. I don’t think you understand what we are discussing. Right wing authoritarianism is a personality trait that gives you the following personality attributes. > **[Right-wing authoritarianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism)** > > In psychology, right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a set of attitudes, describing somebody who is highly submissive to their authority figures, acts aggressively in the name of said authorities, and is conformist in thought and behavior. The prevalence of this attitude in a population varies from culture to culture, as a person's upbringing and education play a strong role in determining whether somebody develops this sort of worldview. > The right-wing authoritarian was defined by Bob Altemeyer ... > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submissiveness to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives.[/li] > [li]Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness directed against deviants, outgroups and other people that are perceived to be targets according to established authorities.[/li] > [li]Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities and a belief that others in one’s society should also be required to adhere to these norms.[16[/li][/ul] I agree with you, there is something of an authoritarian left. But they are mostly restricted to college campuses and very small in numbers. Its a handful of college students. I don’t support their behavior. Shouting down speakers, preventing rallies, attacking people, etc. is a bad idea. I am not sure where I stand on the Sarah Sanders issue. On one hand right wingers love to stand ouside of abortion clinics and yell at people, or let private companies deny service to gays. Now they are pretending to be victims for having the same done to them. On the other hand, its a slippery slope until we are back in the 40s and blacks and jews can’t go to restaurants. I don’t know where I stand on this. Fundamentally the issue is this, you don’t understand what I and others are talking about with regards to authoritarianism. You are discussing people who want government regulation. We are talking about angry, afraid bigots who don’t respect democracy. Not the same thing. The authoritarian left is an issue, but they are a mob. The authoritarian right control a major political party. You are discussing any kind of regulation you don’t like. The rest of us aren’t. The rest of us are discussing angry, scared white people who don’t respect democracy and score high on RWA indexes. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/124 "2018-06-26T19:08:41Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > He quit the GOP in 2016 due to Trump . He says Congress is giving Trump too much power. > > [Conservative Columnist George Will Says to Vote GOP Out in Midterms: Opinion](http://www.newser.com/story/261005/conservative-george-wills-push-vote-dems-in-midterms.html) Where is he working now? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/125 "2018-06-26T19:25:04Z")
Some political positons of George Will, he does not sound like a Republican to me. 1 ) Will once proposed that the United States withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, and defended Barack Obama’s response to the uprisings after the 2009 elections in Iran. 2 ) He also criticized the Bush administration for engaging in warrantless surveillance, and supported trials for detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. 3 ) On immigration, Will supports tighter border security and a “path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants. What we have here is a guy with Democratic positons saying don’t vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/126 "2018-06-26T19:32:44Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Some political positons of George Will, he does not sound like a Republican to me. > > 1 ) Will once proposed that the United States withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, and defended Barack Obama’s response to the uprisings after the 2009 elections in Iran. > > 2 ) He also criticized the Bush administration for engaging in warrantless surveillance, and supported trials for detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. > > 3 ) On immigration, Will supports tighter border security and a “path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants. > > What we have here is a guy with Democratic positons saying don’t vote for Trump. George Will used to be squarely within the Republican party. Which do you think moved–Will, or the GOP? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/127 "2018-06-26T20:16:05Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Some political positons of George Will, he does not sound like a Republican to me. > > 1 ) Will once proposed that the United States withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, and defended Barack Obama’s response to the uprisings after the 2009 elections in Iran. > > 2 ) He also criticized the Bush administration for engaging in warrantless surveillance, and supported trials for detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. > > 3 ) On immigration, Will supports tighter border security and a “path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants. > > What we have here is a guy with Democratic positons saying don’t vote for Trump. Ah. Not a “true Republican.” But it is interesting what you consider the positions a “true Republican” would take. A “true Republican” would be against withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. (Of course Trump before being president had on multiple occasions called for such withdrawal, “time to come home”, “a complete waste”, “should leave Afghanistan immediately.” A “true Republican” would support warrantless surveillance and be against trials as required by law no matter what SCOTUS says. A “true Republican” is _not_ for tighter security and is not for any path for citizenship. The positions that are for getting out of Afghanistan, being for privacy rights, following the laws of the land, having tight borders, and having immigration reform that offers an eventual path to citizenship, are all Democratic positions. Dang there have been quite a few who have been and are GOP elected officials, from in the White House to Congress and down, who are actually Democrats! They may have called themselves Republican, been elected to office as Republican, been called Republican, but they have not been and are not “true Republicans.” But you are right. The GOP is defining itself in such a way as to exclude more and more of its traditional own. Not all all them realize that they no longer belong yet to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/128 "2018-06-26T20:27:16Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Some political positons of George Will, he does not sound like a Republican to me. > > 1 ) Will once proposed that the United States withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, and defended Barack Obama’s response to the uprisings after the 2009 elections in Iran. > > 2 ) He also criticized the Bush administration for engaging in warrantless surveillance, and supported trials for detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. > > 3 ) On immigration, Will supports tighter border security and a “path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants. > > What we have here is a guy with Democratic positons saying don’t vote for Trump. That’s it? A laundry list of only three items, instances, even, of “objectionable” items from a man who’s been writing professionally and supporting the GOP for almost 50 years? And those 3 items are so egregious that they somehow lead to the conclusion “no way is George Will a Republican”? Holy fuck, what a goddamned stupid post that is. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/129 "2018-06-27T00:05:01Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I struggle with this too. > > Trump won 57% of white votes in 2016. Which means 43% of whites voted for someone else, of whom the vast majority (37%) voted for Clinton. > > I’m not saying Trump didn’t win due to racism. He did. But if you pick a random sampling of 10 white voters, about 4 of them didn’t vote for Trump. Most of those 4 voted for Hillary. The other 6 are Trump voters. > > I’m a white male. We went 62-31 for Trump. Does that make me ashamed? Yes, a bit and the election of Trump really cemented that we need a more multicultural leadership because us white men aren’t making very good decisions recently. But I am in that 31%. Lots of white men are in that 31%. Pick 1000 white men at random who voted and almost 400 voted for someone other than Trump. > > Its something I struggle with too. How can you be honest about the role racial (and gender) resentment plays in our politics without demonizing entire groups of people? Yes, whites (especially older white men) are the root cause of our march towards fascism. But a lot of older white men are decent people too. White men like myself are the root cause of Trump’s appeal and the march towards fascism, but not all white men are bad. > > Its like a saying I heard. Not all Trump supporters are racist, but almost all racists are Trump supporters. Same thing. Not all whites are protofascist, but most protofascists are white. > > If you watch videos of neo-nazis and antifa getting into fights, almost all the neo-nazis are white. But the majority of antifa are white too. The white vote is rather diverse. It seems like the Latino’s and African Americans are more likely to vote on " racial issues ". Democrats dupe them, but I think many are seeing their wages are going up under Trump and jobs created. Hopefully, they change their voting habits on election day. Studies show, minority groups are more likely to be racists, perhaps because they aren’t doing as well in general. Trump own because he’s calling things as they are. American is getting ripped off, overtaxed, and could be doing much better in many areas. Less than two years in, he’s got some major accomplishments. As for decency, the left is losing their manners on the topic, and it could reach a dangerous level. Confronting people in gas stations, movie theaters and restaurants? Really. And let’s not forget some left wing nut job tried to shoot up a softball field of people based on political preferences. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/130 "2018-06-27T00:07:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That’s it? A laundry list of only three items, instances, even, of “objectionable” items from a man who’s been writing professionally and supporting the GOP for almost 50 years? And those 3 items are so egregious that they somehow lead to the conclusion “no way is George Will a Republican”? > > Holy fuck, what a goddamned stupid post that is. Dude, all three positions are Democratic positions and they are pretty recent ones. This guy was a Republican only in name for since Bush. People can change. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/131 "2018-06-27T00:09:42Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > As for decency, the left is losing their manners on the topic, and it could reach a dangerous level. Confronting people in gas stations, movie theaters and restaurants? Really. And let’s not forget some left wing nut job tried to shoot up a softball field of people based on political preferences. For some reason this post by \*\*Silver Lining \*\*made me remember this: The revolution will not be televised There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down Brothers in the instant replay There will be no pictures of young being Run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a red, black and Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the right occasion Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant and Women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day The revolution will not be televised ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/132 "2018-06-27T00:11:52Z")
And some right-wing nutjobs flew planes into a couple of skyscrapers. But hey, both sides do it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/133 "2018-06-27T00:39:18Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Dude, all three positions are Democratic positions and they are pretty recent ones. This guy was a Republican only in name for since Bush. > > People can change. Doubling down, eh? Good for you! No one can say you aren’t committed! Tugg Speedman’s got nothing on you! ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/134 "2018-06-27T01:30:51Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Curious if he’s been saying that all along, or if separating parents and children pushed him over the line. I mean, it’s not like this is the first policy of this administration you could call “evil” and “immoral.” Steve Schmidt has been a vocal critic of Trump (and the direction of the GOP) for some time; he’s a regular guest on MSNBC’s evening shows (Maddow, O’Donnell, Williams). But, this is the first time I’ve heard him say, explicitly, “vote Democratic.” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/135 "2018-06-27T12:04:27Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > As for decency, the left is losing their manners on the topic, and it could reach a dangerous level. Confronting people in gas stations, movie theaters and restaurants? Really. And let’s not forget some left wing nut job tried to shoot up a softball field of people based on political preferences. [The](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/26/rapist-she-yelled-at-a-hispanic-man-shes-quoting-the-president-he-thought/?utm_term=.80028265a982) (['Permit Patty' resigns as CEO of cannabis company in fallout over video](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/permit-patty-resigns-ceo-cannabis-company-fallout-over-video-n886826)) [is](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/us/white-woman-black-people-oakland-bbq-trnd/index.html) [losing](https://www.etonline.com/roseanne-barr-fallout-a-complete-guide-to-how-her-racist-tweet-led-to-roseanne-cancellation-and-new) [their](https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161128/lakeview/michaels-racist-rant-trump-voter-discrimination/) [manners](https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/16/17362712/white-man-lawyer-threatens-spanish-speaking-workers-new-york-aaron-schlossberg)?! To be fair, these examples are real different from what you’re talking about. The examples from the left involve confronting people in power about their specific actions; the examples from the right involve yelling at random innocent people. The examples from the left draw sharp responses from the president; the examples from the right don’t. But yeah, this hands-aflutter dismay at the lack of civility on the left, when we have story after story after story after story of the most vicious verbal attacks imaginable coming from the right, is pretty rich. Clean your own house, ferchrissakes. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/136 "2018-06-27T14:15:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [The](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/26/rapist-she-yelled-at-a-hispanic-man-shes-quoting-the-president-he-thought/?utm_term=.80028265a982) (['Permit Patty' resigns as CEO of cannabis company in fallout over video](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/permit-patty-resigns-ceo-cannabis-company-fallout-over-video-n886826)) [is](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/us/white-woman-black-people-oakland-bbq-trnd/index.html) [losing](https://www.etonline.com/roseanne-barr-fallout-a-complete-guide-to-how-her-racist-tweet-led-to-roseanne-cancellation-and-new) [their](https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161128/lakeview/michaels-racist-rant-trump-voter-discrimination/) [manners](https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/16/17362712/white-man-lawyer-threatens-spanish-speaking-workers-new-york-aaron-schlossberg)?! > > To be fair, these examples are real different from what you’re talking about. The examples from the left involve confronting people in power about their specific actions; the examples from the right involve yelling at random innocent people. The examples from the left draw sharp responses from the president; the examples from the right don’t. > > But yeah, this hands-aflutter dismay at the lack of civility on the left, when we have story after story after story after story of the most vicious verbal attacks imaginable coming from the right, is pretty rich. Clean your own house, ferchrissakes. If I were to dig up some examples of left-wingers “yelling at random innocent people” would you be persuaded? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/137 "2018-06-27T14:36:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If I were to dig up some examples of left-wingers “yelling at random innocent people” would you be persuaded? Do you think finding someone else doing bad justifies you doing bad? Is doing something bad suddenly o.k. then, or is it still bad? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/138 "2018-06-27T14:43:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you think finding someone else doing bad justifies you doing bad? Is doing something bad suddenly o.k. then, or is it still bad? No, and I never suggested it did. It’s still bad. I merely wanted to know if seeing some examples of left-wingers “yelling at random innocent people” would persuade him that it’s not a bad thing exclusive to the right side of the political spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/139 "2018-06-27T14:47:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No, and I never suggested it did. It’s still bad. I merely wanted to know if seeing some examples of left-wingers “yelling at random innocent people” would persuade him that it’s not a bad thing exclusive to the right side of the political spectrum. If this is the only argument you put forward, then this is exactly what you are saying. No denial that it happened, no explaining why it isn’t/is wrong, no excuses for what happened-Just “They do it to”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619/140 "2018-06-27T14:56:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If this is the only argument you put forward, then this is exactly what you are saying. No denial that it happened, no explaining why it isn’t/is wrong, no excuses for what happened-Just “They do it to”. You seem confused. You appear to think that I’m arguing over whether yelling at random innocent people is good or bad. I’m not. I think we all agree that it’s bad. I am arguing over whether it’s something done by just the right alone or the right and the left. That’s a factual question, not a moral one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-will-says-vote-dem-in-november/816619.md?page=8)