# George Zimmerman - In the news again

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [July 31, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480 "2014-07-31T13:26:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/21 "2014-07-31T15:28:59Z")

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Last time he decided to prevent crime he set into motion a chain of events that culminated in a violent assault being committed by someone who had planned only to eat Skittles, thus actually increasing crime. He was then forced to use deadly force to save himself, killing a teenager. He was arrested, publicly demonized, put through the stress of a murder trial and eventually vindicated in a controversial decision that has left some in the community believing to this day that he got away with murder. Given that background, it beggars belief that he would resume his “crime fighting” activities and put himself at risk of going through a similar situation.

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**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/22 "2014-07-31T15:31:09Z")

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I wasn’t on the jury, so the rules of court don’t apply to me.

I think he is a nutcase with a vigilante/righter of wrongs streak in him that puts others in danger. I think people like him are a net menace to society, not a net benefit.

So, no, I don’t want him sitting in a darkened pickup making my neighborhood safer.

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/23 "2014-07-31T15:35:18Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> And if this news affiliate reports on a tenth of them, they won’t have room for much else.

Which is why they limit it to reporting creepy behavior by persons of public interest, like Zimmerman and OJ.

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**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/24 "2014-07-31T15:59:20Z")

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I would say that OJ’s behavior subsequent to his criminal acquital went a bit beyond creepy-but-legal. Especially the “legal” part.

Regards,  
Shodan

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**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/25 "2014-07-31T16:11:46Z")

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How many of the “he’s not breaking any law” people would be comfortable walking down the dark alley he’s appointed himself to keep safe?

The guy’s a fucking idiot with poor judgment and a gun and a hard on for being a hero. It’s already killed one innocent kid. There. I said it. Make fun of me or whatever.

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/26 "2014-07-31T16:14:28Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> I would say that OJ’s behavior subsequent to his criminal acquital went a bit beyond creepy-but-legal. Especially the “legal” part.

OJ was creepy a long time between his acquittal and finally snapping. So it’s just a matter of time until Zimmerman goes from being a creepy guy with a gun to being a bad guy with a gun.

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**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/27 "2014-07-31T17:24:01Z")

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I read the thread title and thought it was about the guy from Men’s Warehouse. :smack:

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/28 "2014-07-31T17:34:05Z")

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> [@bup](#):
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> How many of the “he’s not breaking any law” people would be comfortable walking down the dark alley he’s appointed himself to keep safe?

I’m sure most of Zimmerman’s supporters would feel safe. His supporters tend not to be in the demographic that Zimmerman apparently considers to be a threat.

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**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/29 "2014-07-31T17:40:01Z")

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> [@Eliahna](#):
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> Given that background, it beggars belief that he would resume his “crime fighting” activities and put himself at risk of going through a similar situation.

Donations to his legal fund are probably slowing down.

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**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/30 "2014-07-31T17:41:34Z")

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I wouldn’t want him patrolling my neighborhood, and we don’t even have dark alleys.

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/31 "2014-07-31T17:42:54Z")

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> [@njtt](#):
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> That is a complete non-sequitur. Even granting that it is is true that he has broken no law, plenty of well informed people believe that Zimmerman has done a great deal of wrong. Even if not technically a murderer, he is a known killer of humans.

I said, “Zimmerman broke no law, did nothing wrong, and yet somehow garners from aClockworkMelon a vague insinuation of wrongdoing,” in referring to the present story. That is, in the story linked above, Zimmerman did no wrong, yet **AClockworkMelon** insinuates otherwise.

I did not mean to imply that Zimmerman has led a blameless life.

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/32 "2014-07-31T17:47:16Z")

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> [@bup](#):
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> How many of the “he’s not breaking any law” people would be comfortable walking down the dark alley he’s appointed himself to keep safe?
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> The guy’s a fucking idiot with poor judgment and a gun and a hard on for being a hero. It’s already killed one innocent kid. There. I said it. Make fun of me or whatever.

Both Martin and Zimmerman were innocent.

But the evidence showed that Zimmerman had a reasonable fear for his life, which means that he was entitled to use deadly force to protect himself.

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**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/33 "2014-07-31T18:06:49Z")

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Here is exclusive footage of our hero earlier that night:

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Vr6gACml4h0/hqdefault.jpg "Batman & Robin - Bat-Nipples and Bat-Asses") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6gACml4h0)

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/34 "2014-07-31T18:11:22Z")

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[quote=“AClockworkMelon, post:33, topic:694480”]

Here is exclusive footage of our hero earlier that night:

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No, it’s not. The link goes to the opening of the “Batman and Robin” movie.

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**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/35 "2014-07-31T20:31:44Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> Both Martin and Zimmerman were innocent.

Zimmerman was _not guilty_, measured against the threshold of ‘reasonable doubt goes to the defendant.’

He killed Trayvon Martin.

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/36 "2014-07-31T21:00:01Z")

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> [@bup](#):
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> Zimmerman was _not guilty_, measured against the threshold of ‘reasonable doubt goes to the defendant.’
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> He killed Trayvon Martin.

Yes, he did. And he did so because Martin put Zimmerman in fear of serious bodily injury. That’s a circumstance under which it’s appropriate to kill.

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**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/37 "2014-07-31T21:01:50Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Zimmerman told officers the owner had given him permission to be there and asked him to provide security after a recent burglary. Officers attempted to confirm but were unable to reach the owner. No citations were issued.
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> Pompano Pat’s manager Sam Porter said Tuesday that Zimmerman “in no way, shape or form” has been employed by the store.

These two lines are especially egregious as it makes it look, at first blush, like Zimmerman was lying. Zimmerman never claimed he was employed, but was “given permission.” The article makes the second sentence look like a refutation of the first when it is not.

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/38 "2014-07-31T21:29:52Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> Yes, he did. And he did so because Martin put Zimmerman in fear of serious bodily injury. That’s a circumstance under which it’s appropriate to kill.

Does this really have to be rehashed again? I know you enjoy arguments for the sake of argument but this is ridiculous. No one is getting their mind changed at this late a date. Anyone you respond to has already heard it. Why bother?

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**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/39 "2014-07-31T21:35:47Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by **CBS 12 News**  
> The Sentinel reports Zimmerman would watch over the store after hours from his pickup truck, according to Porter.

[Perhaps he’s escalating.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust_serial_killers)

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/40 "2014-07-31T21:39:34Z")

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> [@Loach](#):
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> Does this really have to be rehashed again? I know you enjoy arguments for the sake of argument but this is ridiculous. No one is getting their mind changed at this late a date. Anyone you respond to has already heard it. Why bother?

Because, on the SDMB, there’s an echo-chamber quality about the discourse – assertions like the one above are not challenged.

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