# George Zimmerman - In the news again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 31, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480 "2014-07-31T13:26:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1121 "2015-12-07T22:50:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > True. Although if he was open-carrying, his gun would have been obvious. But yeah, Zimmerman got to craft the story seeing as he had the gun, and thus survived. > > I think my question was if Martin had smashed Zimmerman’s head with a rock, would he be able to play it off as a stand-your-ground defense as well? IANAL, but theoretically, I’d think yes. He would still be a black youth, though, and facing all the inherent racism in the legal system of the area, but unless it was an all-white jury, I think he’d have a decent chance of getting the same result as GZ at trial. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1122 "2015-12-07T23:18:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > IANAL, but theoretically, I’d think yes. He would still be a black youth, though, and facing all the inherent racism in the legal system of the area, but unless it was an all-white jury, I think he’d have a decent chance of getting the same result as GZ at trial. Wasn’t there a case around the same time as Zimmerman where a white youth attacked a black man with a knife? If I remember correctly the black man shot the youth and was subsequently convicted of murder. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1123 "2015-12-07T23:51:11Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Wasn’t there a case around the same time as Zimmerman where a white youth attacked a black man with a knife? If I remember correctly the black man shot the youth and was subsequently convicted of murder. Without a lot more details, I wouldn’t consider that to be predictive. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1124 "2015-12-08T00:10:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Without a lot more details, I wouldn’t consider that to be predictive. Here you go: [http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/24/895881/how-a-black-businessman-was-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-a-likely-self-defense-killing/](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/24/895881/how-a-black-businessman-was-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-a-likely-self-defense-killing/) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1125 "2015-12-08T01:33:11Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Here you go: [http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/24/895881/how-a-black-businessman-was-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-a-likely-self-defense-killing/](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/09/24/895881/how-a-black-businessman-was-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-a-likely-self-defense-killing/) Details aren’t really the same, but the biggest difference I see is that it’s a different state. So, I’m sticking with “not predictive” for what would have happened in FL. And I wouldn’t accept ThingProgress’s interpretation at face value, either. If you want to point out that blacks and whites often receive different treatment in the court system, I wont argue with that. That’s one reason I stipulated a jury that was not all-white. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1126 "2015-12-08T02:15:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > IANAL, but theoretically, I’d think yes. He would still be a black youth, though, and facing all the inherent racism in the legal system of the area, but unless it was an all-white jury, I think he’d have a decent chance of getting the same result as GZ at trial. IANAL as well, but it seems the Floridians may have discovered _trial by combat_. The winner is innocent! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1127 "2015-12-08T15:09:02Z")
> [@bup](#): > > **doorhinge** , can I give you some constructive criticism? > > You’re really fucking stupid. Bwahahahaha. How fucking stupid can you be? Is that the best you can do? That’s so sad. ☹ Any thoughts on the life and times of George Zimmerman? Anything? Anything? Bueller? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1128 "2015-12-08T15:27:56Z")
Yeah, sure. He’s stupid, too. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1129 "2015-12-08T16:04:43Z")
He’s right, though. You _are_ pretty fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1130 "2015-12-08T16:23:23Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Any thoughts on the life and times of George Zimmerman? Anything? Anything? Bueller? I’d post my thoughts, but someone would probably get pissy that we’re rehashing this for the 301st time. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1131 "2015-12-08T16:43:39Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He’s right, though. You _are_ pretty fucking stupid. You think I’m pretty? Really? That’s so cute. And creepy. If you don’t wish to discuss GZ, why are you discussing GZ? If you are attempting to control what other people can, and can not, be said in this thread about GZ, you’ll have to produce your Pope Of The Internet card and stamp your foot much harder ,or people will ignore your attempt at control. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1132 "2015-12-08T17:07:49Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Bwahahahaha. How fucking stupid can you be? Show, don’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1133 "2015-12-08T17:41:44Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You think I’m pretty? Really? That’s so cute. And creepy. If you don’t wish to discuss GZ, why are you discussing GZ? If you are attempting to control what other people can, and can not, be said in this thread about GZ, you’ll have to produce your Pope Of The Internet card and stamp your foot much harder ,or people will ignore your attempt at control. Posts like this are the reason everyone thinks you’re stupid. Or, to put it constructively: Stop being so fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1134 "2015-12-08T19:50:04Z")
Bwaahhahaaa. You think he’s fucking! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1135 "2015-12-08T20:11:30Z")
Well, if he is, you think he’s fucking smart? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1136 "2015-12-08T20:13:00Z")
Relatively speaking? I don’t see how he couldn’t be. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1137 "2015-12-08T20:13:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, if he is, you think he’s fucking smart? Any woman who is in a relationship with him is not smart. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1138 "2015-12-09T15:13:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Posts like this are the reason everyone thinks you’re stupid. > > Or, to put it constructively: Stop being so fucking stupid. What a incredibly stupid thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1139 "2015-12-09T16:40:55Z")
Aw, you were doing so well. ☹ I have faith in you, sweetie. You can troll better than that. Maybe try bragging about fucking his mom or something? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1140 "2015-12-09T17:20:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > IANAL as well, but it seems the Floridians may have discovered _trial by combat_. The winner is innocent! I am unashamedly stealing this. Doorhinge is an epic moron. Just wanted to add that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480.md?page=58)