# Georgia governor signs strictest abortion bill in nation **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 8, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659 "2019-05-08T09:49:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/401 "2019-05-20T01:04:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Huh? Restricting women from making decisions about their own body by threat of force is abominable. You said that if people who believed that abortion was murder, as the people of Alabama seem to think, they shouldn’t be passing laws, they should be calling for a revolution. So it seems that they are a restrained and responsible state as opposed to being “abominable.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/402 "2019-05-20T01:33:56Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > You said that if people who believed that abortion was murder, as the people of Alabama seem to think, they shouldn’t be passing laws, they should be calling for a revolution. > > So it seems that they are a restrained and responsible state as opposed to being “abominable.” No, they’re delusional misogynists (those who are in favor of these laws). I’m sure some of them are sincere, but that doesn’t excuse their delusions and misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/403 "2019-05-20T03:44:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you, personally, think that this is all right-that this nine-year-old child is punished by her church more severely than her rapist? The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/404 "2019-05-20T04:19:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. That is absolute bullshit. A raped nine-year-old child separated herself from “the Church”? Are you _trying_ to deliberately drive people away from religion?? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/405 "2019-05-20T07:35:43Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. Why yes, that is the framing the abusers would choose to absolve themselves of any blame. It’s also transparently abusive and awful, so I’m not sure why you’re parroting it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/406 "2019-05-20T07:58:08Z")
Andy, didn’t you use to claim I was the one who dodged your questions? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/407 "2019-05-20T08:13:43Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > You said that if people who believed that abortion was murder, as the people of Alabama seem to think, they shouldn’t be passing laws, they should be calling for a revolution. No, the point is, they should have taken up arms to stop this holocaust _46 years ago_, and in all the years since. The fact that they _haven’t_ is evidence that they don’t really believe what they say they believe. I think **Velocity** was on the right track with this post: > [@Velocity](#): > > It’s the difference between mind and heart. Intellectually, many pro-lifers may consider abortion to be murder, but that’s like how PETA considers the killing of a chicken to be equivalent to murdering a human. It is fairly rare for PETA to get truly violent about chickens, pigs, sheep, cows, etc. being slaughtered for meat; PETA is mostly content with protest signs and Internet petitions. > > There simply is not the gut feeling about a fetus in utero being equivalent to a 2-year old being euthanized. The visceral feeling is what gets people roused, and it’s not there. Which reminds me of a trolley problem variant I heard a year or two ago: _An in-vitro fertilization clinic is on fire. You’re a pro-lifer. Inside the IVF clinic are (a) a four year old child overcome by smoke inhalation, and (b) a small refrigerator with 1000 fertilized eggs in it. You have just enough time to rescue one or the other before the building collapses in flames. Which do you rescue?_ The point being that whatever arguments one can make for the fertilized eggs each being as much a person as you or me, nobody’s going to rescue the 1000 ‘people’ in the fridge at the cost of the one born child’s life. Nobody really, truly believes that each of those fertilized eggs is the moral equivalent of the child. Which lets me segue back to the fact that[the Alabama law makes no attempt to regulate the treatment of fertilized eggs in IVF clinics](https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/alabama-abortion-ban-passes-read-the-bill.html), but only those fertilized eggs that reside within women’s bodies. Which again gives away the game: if a fertilized egg is a person, it hardly matters where the fertilized egg is, or whether it was fertilized in a petri dish or a woman’s body. If (as is the case) Alabama protects fertilized eggs in a woman’s body, but doesn’t protect the fertilized eggs in the IVF lab, it’s not about the alleged personhood of the fertilized egg. It’s about restricting women. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/408 "2019-05-20T08:17:48Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > That being said, you could say the same about almost any cause (for instance, AGW people who believe that climate change is going to ruin the planet are being much too tame about their approach - they should be 1000x as forceful and vigorous about their cause then they are now) - but that takes us off-topic. I’ll note my disagreement, but will leave it at that, to keep the thread on topic. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/409 "2019-05-20T08:38:09Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I once talked to a rah-rah Catholic woman where the mother or a 9 year old child pregnant with twins and the doctor who performed the abortion on this 9 year old child pregnant with twins were excommunicated from the Catholic church (but not the stepfather who got this nine year old child pregnant with twins.) When I said "She would have died if she carried the pregnancy to term, the rah-rah shot back “You don’t know that.” > > So how does one determine if an abortion saves the mother’s life? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > They were not excommunicated. They excommunicated themselves by procuring an abortion. It’s automatic. So nobody in the Roman Catholic Church actually said or did anything to note their excommunication? So as far as any priest or bishop in the RCC knows, they’re not excommunicated, because it was automatic, they excommunicated themselves? You keep using that word, ‘automatic.’ I do not think it means what you think it means. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Apparently you think this is some sort of justification for excommunicating a nine-year old rape victim but not her rapist. Do you seriously think this would matter for the rest of us who think there is no possible justification for treating a 9 year old rape victim so monstrously? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It doesn’t need justification. It’s Canon Law. Canon law needs no justification? Is it handed down directly from God Himself? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. Once again, the Church did nothing? Nothing at all? Excuse me for my skepticism, but I find that hard to believe. How’s the Church know that she’s not to receive Communion if the Church has done nothing? Do they have some sort of mind-meld? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/410 "2019-05-20T09:10:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. Blaming little rape victims for the bad things that happen to them is about the most morally reprehensible thing you’ve ever posted. If this is what the church teaches you, then it is a truly evil organization. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/411 "2019-05-20T09:11:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Andy, didn’t you use to claim I was the one who dodged your questions? Your question was a non-sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/412 "2019-05-20T09:50:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Blaming little rape victims for the bad things that happen to them is about the most morally reprehensible thing you’ve ever posted. If this is what the church teaches you, then it is a truly evil organization. Cosigned. > [@Velocity](#): > > That being said, you could say the same about almost any cause (for instance, AGW people who believe that climate change is going to ruin the planet are being much too tame about their approach - they should be 1000x as forceful and vigorous about their cause then they are now) - but that takes us off-topic. FWIW, I agree. We’re facing an existential threat and here we are, just mulling about, going to our day jobs, doing nothing. Nobody has, just to name my favorite fantasy scenario, dragged an Exxon exec out of their limo and aspyxiated them in a small room full of that harmless plant food they love so much. We’re fighting a war for our future but nobody is quite ready to treat it like a war. Well, okay, the side that’s currently winning is. But we’re not. Believe me, if I knew something more productive I could be doing, I’d be doing it. But it feels like no legal action I could take would have much impact, and no illegal action I could take would have both enough impact to be worth the consequences and have a high enough chance of success to be worth the risk. So I’m stuck, an anxious mess, watching these greedy shitbags set our world on fire so that they can live lives of obscene luxury, utterly powerless to stop it. Remember when Mad Max was this far-our sci-fi concept, and not just “exactly what’s going to happen barring a miracle”? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/413 "2019-05-20T12:41:23Z")
So I’m not sure how to do the links, but if you look up, (on YouTube) ‘Liberal Redneck Bama Bortion Ban’, you will indeed be amused. And not disappointed! (Warning: adult language!) From deep in Alabama, a fella that is every inch the cliche ‘redneck’, with a magnificent southern drawl that I could listen to ALL day long. There’s something very surreal listening to his totally on point take down. Literally from inside the asylum! And he makes some very telling revelations that rub up against whether or not Alabamans _ **really** _ believe/care so much about this stuff. Hope you enjoy it! ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/414 "2019-05-20T12:56:20Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. So can she un-separate herself from the church? Show up, and take communion? ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/415 "2019-05-20T13:01:25Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. Hopefully, this will be the worst thing I read all day. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/416 "2019-05-20T13:05:22Z")
It ranks right up there with “She _made_ me hit her!” ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/417 "2019-05-20T13:18:55Z")
And, of course, [The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion](http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/anti-tales.shtml) exposes some of the “pro-life” people for what they are: Members of the “yeah, but…” hypocritical groups. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/418 "2019-05-20T13:43:51Z")
When you’re discussing the Catholic churches policies, remember: This is a church in the 21st Century that does not better women are good enough to be its leaders. Since rapists are men and women are the gender having abortions, of course they consider the former are better than the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/419 "2019-05-20T17:12:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Church did not punish her. She separated herself from the Church. She’s clearly better off without them. I daresay we all are. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659/420 "2019-05-20T17:25:11Z")
[One woman’s story about her own illegal abortion.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/illegal-abortion_n_5cdec62fe4b00735a915b0d1) It was arranged by a group of clergy that she thought she could trust, by a doctor they told her to trust…and it was still botched. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-governor-signs-strictest-abortion-bill-in-nation/833659.md?page=22)